interesting thinking about ILLEGAL ALIENS

[ralph]

and I like it , started as a response to the taking down of the Confederate Flag . Course , not really related to the Flag but that's how the conversation got started . Anyway , lets get rid of ALL sanctuary cities plus ALL of mrobamas rules , laws , executive orders on immigration . Build the wall , beef up the border and speed up deportation , stop taxpayer paid money and all benefits to ILLEGAL ALIENS [at least] .

[ralph]

there are about 300 sanctuary cities in the USA at the moment helping to service 11 to 30 million illegal aliens in the USA [maybe more] . Course that doesn't count their 'Anchor Babies' and refugees from all over the world .

[GFB]

Ok, what do we do with the liberals?

[planosteve]

I beleive in open borders for all countries. Everyone has the right to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. If your happiness is living in another country you should be free to do so as long as you don't infringe on the rights of others.

[ralph]

I'm only interested in Americans RIGHTS and freedoms Steve . Yep , open borders is a BIG 'L' libertarian thought , I disagree with it .

[planosteve]

I'm only interested in Americans RIGHTS and freedoms Steve . Yep , open borders is a BIG 'L' libertarian thought , I disagree with it .

As a practical matter unless you are an island nation like Japan, there is no way to keep people out who want to come here. They will find a way. Better to just let them come. The problems keeping them out are a lot worse than just letting them come.

[ralph]

like I said in a different thread , USA has been to the moon , plumbed the ocean depths and we can't build a wall . As said by another poster , IKE excluded sometime in the 50s with his operation 'wetback' . England is an island and they are over run by illegal and legal invaders . Anyway , USA need soldiers on the border with live ammo and good rules of engagement plus good rules of exclusion for USA cities rather than sanctuary cities for those that invade the USA . ----------- imo !

[planosteve]

Tough immigration restrictions only keeps out the good people. The A-holes are going to come regardless.

[ralph]

well , solve the 'a hole' problem with whatever it takes then do something allowing a few good people that want to be Americans , speak English , adhere to Western law and that'd be alright with me . As I've pointed out before , USA had a census population of about 200 million in 1970 . In 2010 the USA pop including illegals was about 320 , 330 million . Like I asked some one else that said that the USA can easily accommodate a huger population , I simply asked WHY . As far as I go , what good is a bigger population to ME and my kids . All I see is more rules and laws , regulations forcing diverse groups to play nice even though they dislike each other . ----------- imo !

[planosteve]

Like I said, your only going to be able to keep the good ones out. The bad ones you will have to deal with regardless. That has been the reality.

[Mark]

I beleive in open borders for all countries.

Open borders can not coexist with a welfare state.

[Castle Doctrine]

I beleive in open borders for all countries.

Open borders can not coexist with a welfare state.

Fortunately, we are NOT a welfare state and our borders are NOT open (any more so than reality and nature dictate). Or were you referring to Canada's problem with the US.

[GFB]

I beleive in open borders for all countries.

Open borders can not coexist with a welfare state.

Fortunately, we are NOT a welfare state and our borders are NOT open (any more so than reality and nature dictate). Or were you referring to Canada's problem with the US.

What Mark is saying..and he is correct..is that it would be possible to let people come here much more readily if we had no welfare, Obamacare, food stamps, or any other government largesse.

..which is the way the country would be if you put me in charge..or Mark, too apparently.

[ralph]

--- Mr. Trump is doing pretty good ehh 'cd'. Mr.Trump gets lots of support so far from normal Americans . For some 'reality' checkout some of his speeches and see the constant coverage of him and his point of view which is all over the news shows . See Arizona from yesterday and 'los angeles' from Friday 'cd' !!

[Mark]

I beleive in open borders for all countries.

Open borders can not coexist with a welfare state.

Fortunately, we are NOT a welfare state and our borders are NOT open (any more so than reality and nature dictate). Or were you referring to Canada's problem with the US.

We are not a welfare state? Where the hell did you ever come up with that?

[ralph]

and of course its a welfare state , California is moving to 'obamacare' or some kind of Free healthcare for illegals a few weeks ago . Also , just read another article today or yesterday where some kind of Free healthcare is wanted tor illegals 'cd' .

[ralph]

they , the left just proclaims lies as truth same as mrobama does .

[ralph]

illegal children being covered by taxpayers in 'california' . --- http://www.ocregister.com/articles/heal ... state.html --- taxpayers get to pay for it and I think that this is a first step 'cd' !!

[jellowrestling]

illegal children being covered by taxpayers in 'california' . --- http://www.ocregister.com/articles/heal ... state.html --- taxpayers get to pay for it and I think that this is a first step 'cd' !!

You keep ending your sentences with: 'cd.

What does that mean?

[ralph]

'cd' --------- well those are the initials that represent a poster on this board that I am responding to J.W. !!