Even some liberals are starting to notice

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Even some liberals are starting to notice

Postby Sangersteve » Fri Jul 04, 2014 2:23 pm

Once upon a time, Barack Obama's harsh and deserved criticism of President George W. Bush's executive overreach was a popular campaign applause line at Democratic rallies. Now, he is facing down a threatened lawsuit from House Speaker John Boehner challenging the president's abuse of executive power.

Obama has dismissed the suit as a "stunt," which is partly true.

The convenient election year timing isn't a coincidence. But that a public legal battle might benefit Republicans doesn't mean the GOP suit is devoid of merit.

When asked by ABC's George Stephanopoulos about Boehner's claim that the president had exceeded his executive authority, Obama retorted, "I'm not going to apologize for trying to do something while they're doing nothing." He went on to explain that his administrative actions regarding immigration were OK because the GOP wouldn't work with him and "the majority of the American people want immigration reform done."

Notice that the former constitutional law professor did not make a substantive legal case in defense of his executive power grabs. He merely stated that what he did was popular, ergo his extra-constitutional actions are fine. A more reassuring answer would include explaining how his actions are consistent with the Constitution.

The Supreme Court has seemed less than impressed with Obama's constitutional claims. Last Thursday, the justices tossed his attempt to unilaterally declare the Senate in recess so he could appoint officials to the National Labor Relations Board. Another of the administration's constitutional arguments was rebuked the same day when a unanimous Supreme Court ruled against a Massachusetts law creating 35-foot-limited-speech-buffer zones outside abortion clinics. The Obama administration had argued in support of this government-created zone where abortion supporters were allowed to speak but anti-abortion activists were not.

So it is with executive power. Obama says he has executive power to invade Libya without congressional approval. Obama acts as judge, jury and executioner in assassinating American citizen Anwar al-Awlaki in Yemen, and declares it constitutional. Considering his track record before the Supreme Court, all these claims should be viewed with extreme suspicion.

Liberals who obsessed over President Bush's abuses of executive power are suspiciously silent now, or worse, defend the same behavior they found abhorrent in a Republican.

It's up to debate as to whether Boehner has standing for this lawsuit. If he does, count me as an unlikely supporter.

Like a handful of liberal voices, at the same time I support most of Obama's domestic policy initiatives, including those he accomplished through executive action, I can't support the way he has put them in place. We elected Obama president, not emperor.

Kirsten Powers writes weekly for USA TODAY.
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Re: Even some liberals are starting to notice

Postby BillB » Fri Jul 04, 2014 2:37 pm

I hate to make an extreme comparison, but it has merit.
Hitler came to power as Chancellor of Germany under a constitution.
He started overreaching his legal powers because he claimed the circumstances demanded it and the people wanted it.
Soon there was no constitution, there was only Hitler's will. We know the rest of the story.
We have a constitution for a reason. It exists to prevent tyranny.

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Re: Even some liberals are starting to notice

Postby GFB » Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:56 pm

BillB wrote:I hate to make an extreme comparison, but it has merit.
Hitler came to power as Chancellor of Germany under a constitution.
He started overreaching his legal powers because he claimed the circumstances demanded it and the people wanted it.
Soon there was no constitution, there was only Hitler's will. We know the rest of the story.
We have a constitution for a reason. It exists to prevent tyranny.


I think it was more like..he seized power after newly elected Hindenberg died.
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Re: Even some liberals are starting to notice

Postby BillB » Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:45 pm

GFB wrote:
BillB wrote:I hate to make an extreme comparison, but it has merit.
Hitler came to power as Chancellor of Germany under a constitution.
He started overreaching his legal powers because he claimed the circumstances demanded it and the people wanted it.
Soon there was no constitution, there was only Hitler's will. We know the rest of the story.
We have a constitution for a reason. It exists to prevent tyranny.


I think it was more like..he seized power after newly elected Hindenberg died.


He seized power after burning the Reichstag and blaming it on the communists.
He seized "emergency" powers which he never relinquished.
Hindenburg was still alive and died over a year later.

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Re: Even some liberals are starting to notice

Postby planosteve » Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:51 pm

Kind of like Bush bulldozed through the "Patriot Act" after 9/11.
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Re: Even some liberals are starting to notice

Postby GFB » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:08 pm

BillB wrote:
GFB wrote:
BillB wrote:I hate to make an extreme comparison, but it has merit.
Hitler came to power as Chancellor of Germany under a constitution.
He started overreaching his legal powers because he claimed the circumstances demanded it and the people wanted it.
Soon there was no constitution, there was only Hitler's will. We know the rest of the story.
We have a constitution for a reason. It exists to prevent tyranny.


I think it was more like..he seized power after newly elected Hindenberg died.


He seized power after burning the Reichstag and blaming it on the communists.
He seized "emergency" powers which he never relinquished.
Hindenburg was still alive and died over a year later.


Without googling..going entirely by memory which may be risky..I think what happened is..Hindenberg won the election and Hitler lost..but to appease Hitler and all his nutty followers which were already making trouble all over the country..Hindenberg appointed him something high up like an equivalent of Secretary of State..and THEN Hindenberg died.

..which gave Hitler his opportunity.
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Re: Even some liberals are starting to notice

Postby planosteve » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:29 pm

Without googling..going entirely by memory which may be risky..I think what happened is..Hindenberg won the election and Hitler lost..but to appease Hitler and all his nutty followers which were already making trouble all over the country..Hindenberg appointed him something high up like an equivalent of Secretary of State..and THEN Hindenberg died.
..which gave Hitler his opportunity.

You shoulda googled. You loose.
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Re: Even some liberals are starting to notice

Postby RaisinCain » Sat Jul 05, 2014 10:49 am

With the nutless-wonder Boehner as our "leader", we are screwed.


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