Well Hamas started it......
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planosteve
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Charlie Strangehammer is full of it.
In the first place what is going on is standard Israeli war mongering against the Palestinians. It is periodic and even has a name among the Israeli military commanders. They call it "mowing the grass". Does anyone really still believe that this whole operation was caused by the deaths of 3 teenagers? Something that the Israelis have offered no proof for.
Contrary to what the western press reported, the first strike was by the Israeli air force against Gaza. The rockets were a response. Also, intentionally attacking people's homes is illegal under international law which means that Bibi is an international war criminal. And does anyone think that the shooting down of a civilian airliner the same day as the invasion of Gaza was just a "happy accident"?
In the first place what is going on is standard Israeli war mongering against the Palestinians. It is periodic and even has a name among the Israeli military commanders. They call it "mowing the grass". Does anyone really still believe that this whole operation was caused by the deaths of 3 teenagers? Something that the Israelis have offered no proof for.
Contrary to what the western press reported, the first strike was by the Israeli air force against Gaza. The rockets were a response. Also, intentionally attacking people's homes is illegal under international law which means that Bibi is an international war criminal. And does anyone think that the shooting down of a civilian airliner the same day as the invasion of Gaza was just a "happy accident"?
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If the Israeli's wanted to kill Civilians they could do a much better job of it than a few hundred.
Israel was foolish to ever end their occupation of the Gaza Strip, and leave those Pallie Savages unfettered.
Israel was foolish to ever end their occupation of the Gaza Strip, and leave those Pallie Savages unfettered.
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Sangersteve
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The easiest way for Palestinians to stop the casualties would be for Hamas to stop sending rockets into Israel.Problem solved.The pallies have compete control of Gaza, just look how they have improved it, it was an armpit and Hamas has turned it into to and a$$whole
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planosteve wrote:Charlie Strangehammer is full of it.
They call it "mowing the grass"
It's time to spread "Round Up" and lay concrete.
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Israel accepts an Egyptian-proposed Gaza ceasefire; Hamas keeps firing. Hamas deliberately aims rockets at civilians; Israel painstakingly tries to avoid them, actually telephoning civilians in the area and dropping warning charges, so-called roof knocking.
“Here’s the difference between us,” explains the Israeli prime minister. “We’re using missile defense to protect our civilians and they’re using their civilians to protect their missiles.”
Rarely does international politics present a moment of such moral clarity. Yet we routinely hear this Israel–Gaza fighting described as a morally equivalent “cycle of violence.” This is absurd. What possible interest can Israel have in cross-border fighting? Everyone knows Hamas set off this mini-war. And everyone knows Hamas’s proudly self-declared raison d’être: the eradication of Israel and its Jews.
Apologists for Hamas attribute the bloodlust to the Israeli occupation and blockade. Occupation? There is not a soldier, not a settler, not a single Israeli in Gaza. Does no one remember anything? It was less than ten years ago that worldwide television showed the Israeli army pulling diehard settlers off synagogue roofs in Gaza as Israel uprooted it settlements, expelled its citizens, withdrew its military, and turned every inch of Gaza over to the Palestinians.
There was no blockade. On the contrary. Israel wanted this new Palestinian state to succeed. To help the Gaza economy, Israel gave the Palestinians its 3,000 greenhouses that had produced fruit and flowers for export. It opened border crossings and encouraged commerce.
The whole idea was to establish the model for two states living peacefully and productively side by side. No one seems to remember that simultaneous with the Gaza withdrawal, Israel dismantled four smaller settlements in the northern West Bank as a clear signal of Israel’s desire to leave the West Bank too and thus achieve an amicable two-state solution.
And how did the Gaza Palestinians react to being granted by the Israelis what no previous ruler, neither Egyptian, nor British, nor Turkish, had ever given them — an independent territory? First, they demolished the greenhouses. Then they elected Hamas. Then, instead of building a state with its attendant political and economic institutions, they spent the better part of a decade turning Gaza into a massive military base, brimming with terror weapons, to make ceaseless war on Israel.
Where are the roads and rail, the industry and infrastructure of the new Palestinian state? Nowhere. Instead, they built mile upon mile of underground tunnels to hide their weapons and, when the going gets tough, their military commanders. They spent millions importing and producing rockets, launchers, mortars, small arms, even drones. They deliberately placed them in schools, hospitals, mosques, and private homes to better expose their own civilians. And from which they fire rockets at Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.
Why? The rockets can’t even inflict serious damage, being almost uniformly intercepted by Israel’s Iron Dome anti-missile system. Even West Bank leader Mahmoud Abbas has asked: “What are you trying to achieve by sending rockets?”
It makes no sense. Unless you understand, as a Washington Post editorial explained, that the whole point is to draw Israeli counterfire.
This produces dead Palestinians for international television. Which is why Hamas perversely urges its own people not to seek safety when Israel drops leaflets warning of an imminent attack.
To deliberately wage war so that your own people can be telegenically killed is indeed moral and tactical insanity. But it rests on a very rational premise: Given the Orwellian state of the world’s treatment of Israel (see: the U.N.’s grotesque Human Rights Council), fueled by a mix of classic anti-Semitism, near-total historical ignorance, and reflexive sympathy for the ostensible Third World underdog, these eruptions featuring Palestinian casualties ultimately undermine support for Israel’s legitimacy and right to self-defense.
In a world of such Kafkaesque ethical inversions, Hamas’ depravity begins to make sense. This is a world in which the Munich massacre is a movie and the murder of Klinghoffer is an opera — both deeply sympathetic to the killers. This is a world in which the U.N. ignores humanity’s worst war criminals while incessantly condemning Israel, a state warred upon for 66 years which nonetheless goes to extraordinary lengths to avoid harming the very innocents its enemies use as shields.
It’s to the Israelis’ credit that amid all this madness they haven’t lost their moral scruples. Or their nerve. Those outside the region have the minimum obligation, therefore, to expose the madness and speak the truth. Rarely has it been so blindingly clear.
“Here’s the difference between us,” explains the Israeli prime minister. “We’re using missile defense to protect our civilians and they’re using their civilians to protect their missiles.”
Rarely does international politics present a moment of such moral clarity. Yet we routinely hear this Israel–Gaza fighting described as a morally equivalent “cycle of violence.” This is absurd. What possible interest can Israel have in cross-border fighting? Everyone knows Hamas set off this mini-war. And everyone knows Hamas’s proudly self-declared raison d’être: the eradication of Israel and its Jews.
Apologists for Hamas attribute the bloodlust to the Israeli occupation and blockade. Occupation? There is not a soldier, not a settler, not a single Israeli in Gaza. Does no one remember anything? It was less than ten years ago that worldwide television showed the Israeli army pulling diehard settlers off synagogue roofs in Gaza as Israel uprooted it settlements, expelled its citizens, withdrew its military, and turned every inch of Gaza over to the Palestinians.
There was no blockade. On the contrary. Israel wanted this new Palestinian state to succeed. To help the Gaza economy, Israel gave the Palestinians its 3,000 greenhouses that had produced fruit and flowers for export. It opened border crossings and encouraged commerce.
The whole idea was to establish the model for two states living peacefully and productively side by side. No one seems to remember that simultaneous with the Gaza withdrawal, Israel dismantled four smaller settlements in the northern West Bank as a clear signal of Israel’s desire to leave the West Bank too and thus achieve an amicable two-state solution.
And how did the Gaza Palestinians react to being granted by the Israelis what no previous ruler, neither Egyptian, nor British, nor Turkish, had ever given them — an independent territory? First, they demolished the greenhouses. Then they elected Hamas. Then, instead of building a state with its attendant political and economic institutions, they spent the better part of a decade turning Gaza into a massive military base, brimming with terror weapons, to make ceaseless war on Israel.
Where are the roads and rail, the industry and infrastructure of the new Palestinian state? Nowhere. Instead, they built mile upon mile of underground tunnels to hide their weapons and, when the going gets tough, their military commanders. They spent millions importing and producing rockets, launchers, mortars, small arms, even drones. They deliberately placed them in schools, hospitals, mosques, and private homes to better expose their own civilians. And from which they fire rockets at Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.
Why? The rockets can’t even inflict serious damage, being almost uniformly intercepted by Israel’s Iron Dome anti-missile system. Even West Bank leader Mahmoud Abbas has asked: “What are you trying to achieve by sending rockets?”
It makes no sense. Unless you understand, as a Washington Post editorial explained, that the whole point is to draw Israeli counterfire.
This produces dead Palestinians for international television. Which is why Hamas perversely urges its own people not to seek safety when Israel drops leaflets warning of an imminent attack.
To deliberately wage war so that your own people can be telegenically killed is indeed moral and tactical insanity. But it rests on a very rational premise: Given the Orwellian state of the world’s treatment of Israel (see: the U.N.’s grotesque Human Rights Council), fueled by a mix of classic anti-Semitism, near-total historical ignorance, and reflexive sympathy for the ostensible Third World underdog, these eruptions featuring Palestinian casualties ultimately undermine support for Israel’s legitimacy and right to self-defense.
In a world of such Kafkaesque ethical inversions, Hamas’ depravity begins to make sense. This is a world in which the Munich massacre is a movie and the murder of Klinghoffer is an opera — both deeply sympathetic to the killers. This is a world in which the U.N. ignores humanity’s worst war criminals while incessantly condemning Israel, a state warred upon for 66 years which nonetheless goes to extraordinary lengths to avoid harming the very innocents its enemies use as shields.
It’s to the Israelis’ credit that amid all this madness they haven’t lost their moral scruples. Or their nerve. Those outside the region have the minimum obligation, therefore, to expose the madness and speak the truth. Rarely has it been so blindingly clear.
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I've been told that you don't want to f*** with the Israelis.
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planosteve
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Bombings of Civilian Structures Suggest Illegal Policy
July 16, 2014
(Gaza) – Israeli air attacks in Gaza investigated by Human Rights Watch have been targeting apparent civilian structures and killing civilians in violation of the laws of war. Israel should end unlawful attacks that do not target military objectives and may be intended as collective punishment or broadly to destroy civilian property. Deliberate or reckless attacks violating the laws of war are war crimes, Human Rights Watch said.
Israeli attacks in Gaza since July 7, 2014, which Israeli officials said delivered more than 500 tons of explosives in missiles, aerial bombs, and artillery fire, killed at least 178 people and wounded 1,361 as of July 14, including 635 women and children, according to the United Nations. Preliminary UN reports identified 138 people, about 77 percent of those killed, as civilians, including 36 children, and found that the attacks had destroyed 1,255 homes, displacing at least 7,500 people.
“Israel’s rhetoric is all about precision attacks but attacks with no military target and many civilian deaths can hardly be considered precise,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. “Recent documented cases in Gaza sadly fit Israel’s long record of unlawful airstrikes with high civilian casualties.”
http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/15/isra ... -civilians
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Human Rights Watch defends the rights of people worldwide. We scrupulously investigate abuses, expose the facts widely, and pressure those with power to respect rights and secure justice. Human Rights Watch is an independent, international organization that works as part of a vibrant movement to uphold human dignity and advance the cause of human rights for all.
July 16, 2014
(Gaza) – Israeli air attacks in Gaza investigated by Human Rights Watch have been targeting apparent civilian structures and killing civilians in violation of the laws of war. Israel should end unlawful attacks that do not target military objectives and may be intended as collective punishment or broadly to destroy civilian property. Deliberate or reckless attacks violating the laws of war are war crimes, Human Rights Watch said.
Israeli attacks in Gaza since July 7, 2014, which Israeli officials said delivered more than 500 tons of explosives in missiles, aerial bombs, and artillery fire, killed at least 178 people and wounded 1,361 as of July 14, including 635 women and children, according to the United Nations. Preliminary UN reports identified 138 people, about 77 percent of those killed, as civilians, including 36 children, and found that the attacks had destroyed 1,255 homes, displacing at least 7,500 people.
“Israel’s rhetoric is all about precision attacks but attacks with no military target and many civilian deaths can hardly be considered precise,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. “Recent documented cases in Gaza sadly fit Israel’s long record of unlawful airstrikes with high civilian casualties.”
http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/15/isra ... -civilians
MISSION STATEMENT
Human Rights Watch defends the rights of people worldwide. We scrupulously investigate abuses, expose the facts widely, and pressure those with power to respect rights and secure justice. Human Rights Watch is an independent, international organization that works as part of a vibrant movement to uphold human dignity and advance the cause of human rights for all.
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like I said before, some don't believe the Holocaust ever happened either.
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Sangersteve
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Hamas terrorists continue to use dead Palestinians for propaganda purposes. The Hamas Interior Ministry released guidelines of how activists should describe Palestinian war casualties. Some excerpts from the guidelines, translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, read:
Anyone killed or martyred is to be called a civilian from Gaza or Palestine, before we talk about his status in jihad or his military rank. Don't forget to always add "innocent civilian" or "innocent citizen" in your description of those killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza.
Begin [your reports of] news of resistance actions with the phrase "In response to the cruel Israeli attack," and conclude with the phrase "This many people have been martyred since Israel launched its aggression against Gaza." Be sure to always perpetuate the principle of "the role of the occupation is attack, and we in Palestine are fulfilling [the role of] the reaction."
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Avoid entering into a political argument with a Westerner aimed at convincing him that the Holocaust is a lie and deceit; instead, equate it with Israel's crimes against Palestinian civilians.
Anyone killed or martyred is to be called a civilian from Gaza or Palestine, before we talk about his status in jihad or his military rank. Don't forget to always add "innocent civilian" or "innocent citizen" in your description of those killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza.
Begin [your reports of] news of resistance actions with the phrase "In response to the cruel Israeli attack," and conclude with the phrase "This many people have been martyred since Israel launched its aggression against Gaza." Be sure to always perpetuate the principle of "the role of the occupation is attack, and we in Palestine are fulfilling [the role of] the reaction."
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Avoid entering into a political argument with a Westerner aimed at convincing him that the Holocaust is a lie and deceit; instead, equate it with Israel's crimes against Palestinian civilians.
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planosteve
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Israeli War Crimes: Shelling of Hospital in Gaza after Threats a Clear Violation of the Geneva Conve
Christof Lehmann (nsnbc) : The Israeli military as ground operations were prepared to be launched into the Palestinian Gaza Strip, shelled the El Wafa Hospital after first threatening hospital staff. Both the threats and the shelling constitute gross violations of the Geneva Conventions and serious war crimes.
The Israeli military (IDF) contacted staff at the El Wafa Hospital in the Palestinian Gaza Strip on Thursday, at 20:40, reports the International Solidarity Movement (ISM). The hospital had previously received threats and has been fired upon before, where after the IDF urged the staff to evacuate the patients from the hospital.The hospital is reportedly located near the border to Israel and Israel would like to declare the area to be a combat / free fire zone.
Yesterday, as the IDF was launching ground operations, the IDF contacted the hospital via their telephone. The ISM reports that the person calling for the IDF said,“Why don’t you care about your family? Why don’t you care about your patients” . The receptionist at the El Wafa Hospital who received the call reportedly replied “Sir, you can’t bomb the hospital. We cannot move the patients”.
According to previous reports nsnbc received about the hospital, the staff is caring for several severely injured patients who cannot easily be moved. Many casualties which arrive at the hospital are reportedly unconscious, have to be monitored closely, and in some cases be provided respiratory aid.
Not long after the receptionist replied to the IDF caller, two salvos of two rockets each were fired at the hospital, the last one of which burst through a concrete wall. The ISM reports that the shelling then increased in intensity, causing a panic among hospital staff. The ISM quotes the Director of the El Wafa Hospital, Dr. Basman Alashi, as saying “They are going to destroy the hospital”. Soon after that, the electricity went off. The ISM quotes Dr. Alashi as saying “If these patients die, I hold Netanyahu personally responsible for their souls.
http://nsnbc.me/2014/07/18/israeli-war- ... nventions/
Christof Lehmann (nsnbc) : The Israeli military as ground operations were prepared to be launched into the Palestinian Gaza Strip, shelled the El Wafa Hospital after first threatening hospital staff. Both the threats and the shelling constitute gross violations of the Geneva Conventions and serious war crimes.
The Israeli military (IDF) contacted staff at the El Wafa Hospital in the Palestinian Gaza Strip on Thursday, at 20:40, reports the International Solidarity Movement (ISM). The hospital had previously received threats and has been fired upon before, where after the IDF urged the staff to evacuate the patients from the hospital.The hospital is reportedly located near the border to Israel and Israel would like to declare the area to be a combat / free fire zone.
Yesterday, as the IDF was launching ground operations, the IDF contacted the hospital via their telephone. The ISM reports that the person calling for the IDF said,“Why don’t you care about your family? Why don’t you care about your patients” . The receptionist at the El Wafa Hospital who received the call reportedly replied “Sir, you can’t bomb the hospital. We cannot move the patients”.
According to previous reports nsnbc received about the hospital, the staff is caring for several severely injured patients who cannot easily be moved. Many casualties which arrive at the hospital are reportedly unconscious, have to be monitored closely, and in some cases be provided respiratory aid.
Not long after the receptionist replied to the IDF caller, two salvos of two rockets each were fired at the hospital, the last one of which burst through a concrete wall. The ISM reports that the shelling then increased in intensity, causing a panic among hospital staff. The ISM quotes the Director of the El Wafa Hospital, Dr. Basman Alashi, as saying “They are going to destroy the hospital”. Soon after that, the electricity went off. The ISM quotes Dr. Alashi as saying “If these patients die, I hold Netanyahu personally responsible for their souls.
http://nsnbc.me/2014/07/18/israeli-war- ... nventions/
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If the savages did not hide in Hospitals, Schools, and Homes there wouldn't be a need to attack them.
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Red Oak wrote:If the savages did not hide in Hospitals, Schools, and Homes there wouldn't be a need to attack them.
When they (the pallies)hide behind children, and brag about it, when they(the pallies) hide missiles in mosques and get caught,when they (the pallies)start a fight and then cry when they get beat, why should anyone believe that Israel is the bad guy?
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planosteve
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Sangersteve wrote:Red Oak wrote:If the savages did not hide in Hospitals, Schools, and Homes there wouldn't be a need to attack them.
When they (the pallies)hide behind children, and brag about it, when they(the pallies) hide missiles in mosques and get caught,when they (the pallies)start a fight and then cry when they get beat, why should anyone believe that Israel is the bad guy?
I don't know where they claimed there were any "savages" in the hospital. They wanted the patients removed so they could declare it a free fire zone. I don't know what fight it was that they started. I think the bad guy is the one that is committing acts that are designated war crimes.
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I'm really shocked by Planosteve's statements. It's been verified over and over by journalists on the spot. War crimes? The crimes are that Hamas is a terrorist state. None are so blind as those who refuse to see.
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So Israel blow up Hospitals & Schools just for fun ?
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planosteve
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So Human Rights Watch just make this stuff up?Red Oak wrote:So Israel blow up Hospitals & Schools just for fun ?
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Can you tell me the name of 1 American journalist that is reporting from the Gaza Strip?ann jusko wrote:I'm really shocked by Planosteve's statements. It's been verified over and over by journalists on the spot. War crimes? The crimes are that Hamas is a terrorist state. None are so blind as those who refuse to see.
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The IDF has released another video which shows how Hamas deliberately puts civilian lives in danger.
The video shows that Hamas hides weapons and missile launchers in densely populated areas and sends men, women and children directly into the line of fire to be used as human shields for terrorists.
Also included, video of an aborted retaliation strike because of: gasp, civilians in the area.
Not to mention Hamas using a donkey (insert democrat icon here) to try and blow up soldiers.
There is a reason Hamas is labeled a terrorist organization.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183075#.U8qxChZWLwI
The video shows that Hamas hides weapons and missile launchers in densely populated areas and sends men, women and children directly into the line of fire to be used as human shields for terrorists.
Also included, video of an aborted retaliation strike because of: gasp, civilians in the area.
Not to mention Hamas using a donkey (insert democrat icon here) to try and blow up soldiers.
There is a reason Hamas is labeled a terrorist organization.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183075#.U8qxChZWLwI
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planosteve
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Israeli propaganda is very effective. That's because they work very hard at it.
Don't say that, say this
Five years ago, US-based "The Israel Project" asked a Zionist Republican pollster, Frank Luntz, to prepare a new updated media guide for "leaders who are on the front lines of fighting the media war for Israel". The project builds on some of the best examples of Israeli leaders' own success at mystification, in order to devise a strategy that neutralises Israel's critics and promotes and improves its media standing.
It's a step-by-step guide that underlines "the words that work" and the "words that don't work" when speaking to westerners. Like any marketing or PR campaign, much of the suggested code words, phrases and sound bites are based on polls.
The report came after Israel's 2008 Gaza war and following US President Barack Obama's denouncement of Israeli settlements and his overtures towards Iran. It was prepared for internal use only and kept secret, until it was finally leaked in the fall of 2009.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinio ... 57662.html
Don't say that, say this
Five years ago, US-based "The Israel Project" asked a Zionist Republican pollster, Frank Luntz, to prepare a new updated media guide for "leaders who are on the front lines of fighting the media war for Israel". The project builds on some of the best examples of Israeli leaders' own success at mystification, in order to devise a strategy that neutralises Israel's critics and promotes and improves its media standing.
It's a step-by-step guide that underlines "the words that work" and the "words that don't work" when speaking to westerners. Like any marketing or PR campaign, much of the suggested code words, phrases and sound bites are based on polls.
The report came after Israel's 2008 Gaza war and following US President Barack Obama's denouncement of Israeli settlements and his overtures towards Iran. It was prepared for internal use only and kept secret, until it was finally leaked in the fall of 2009.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinio ... 57662.html
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