Help the Kleins , Melisas Sweet Cakes

[BillB]

Not sure those call for a cake.

well , I could see it happening Greg , go in a Christian bake shop , tell the Christian baker that you want a 'Happy Fornication' , or Adultery Commemorative cake for your next orgy . Christian bakers refuse and then look for a payoff in the courts .

I don't think there are any anti-discrimination laws to protect fornicators and adulterers. Not yet anyway.

[ralph]

{ as you say ' YET ' !! } Yeah , but I can see it happening as a Christian baker refuses to service fornicators or adulterers celebrating and gushing , talking about their deviant lifestyles which would alert the Christian bakers. Legal argument would be the same as the Oregon 'lesbians' are making as far as I can see .

[ralph]

an update on the Kleins of 'Melissas Sweetcakes '. Also a bit of info on their 'Free Speech ' being curtailed . -------------- --- http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sweet ... le/2568089 ---

[crackertoes]

How about the lesbians just go some place what welcomes their order? It seems rather hateful for them to sue THAT baker for not making a gay wedding cake. It also seems rather stupid of them because if they did want a cake from THAT particular baker, they didn't have to say it was a gay wedding.... just order a wedding cake without the personal dialogue. Then the lesbians get what they really want... a wedding cake from THAT particular bakery, unless what they really wanted was their 15 minutes of shame-fame.

http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/u ... dding-cake
Watch the video.

[ralph]

my opinion , lesbians wanted to do the case . Probably for societal change and personal fame and future dating because now they are heros . Respect their 'civil rights' or they will have the bakers hung out to dry which is what they have done . .

[BigTex]

Did they want a cake from that baker because of its quality? Why would you want to put them out of business? Your personal snit now denies their cakes to others. Seems pretty selfish.

[Red Oak]

Remember there are accusations of collusion between some GayKK group and the fancy lad that heads up the Labor Board in Oregon that ruled against the Baker.

[crackertoes]

Did they want a cake from that baker because of its quality? Why would you want to put them out of business? Your personal snit now denies their cakes to others. Seems pretty selfish.

Yep. Very selfish and hateful.

Love "wins" only if the lawyer's name is "Love."

[Castle Doctrine]

Remember there are accusations of collusion between some GayKK group and the fancy lad that heads up the Labor Board in Oregon that ruled against the Baker.

And I saw a "Big Foot" crossing sign going up the Pikes Peak HWY yesterday. "Accusations" nor signs are the equivalent of facts and evidence.

I'm also curious where people gat all this information regarding the conduct of the two parties. Both versions I have heard are obviously self-serving. So, how do you know what really happened. I would love a link to a video. Did the women go in demanding a "gay wedding cake"? How can you be so sure these women "targeted" these people? And please, no "We know how those people are." comments.

Perhaps, it was the bakers that were rude and in your face to the women. You know, like most of the posts above suggest the folks here might be. I see a self-righteous homophobe looking for a chance to "make a stand". My experience is that people doing that do not care one wit how the victim reacts. My point is that we DON'T know what happened. But, a lot of these posts read as if the writer had been in the shop. Now, my feeling is tat the Klein's brought this on themselves. They could have avoided this. They should have known they were creating a vulnerability for themselves. I think these people could have demurred safely had they wanted to...a we are too booked sort of approach...or even we no longer do Wedding Cakes (even if it is of that instant). Instead, they chose to "make a stand" (for the wrong) and refuse on religious grounds. Again, based on my experience with this type of "Christian" I suspect they results were pretty offensive.

Had I been in that position I would sincerely hope there would be a law I could invoke...in retaliation. I find the probable lack of civility as offensive as the actual discrimination. These people are always so arrogant.

[GFB]

You get to say.."sorry, we don't do that..look elsewhere" if you want to..or should be able to.

If the baker was rude, all the more reason to go elsewhere.

No matter how you shake it..the lesbians are the hateful scum in this story.

They could have and should have just moved on.

[GFB]

Capitalism is the only absolutely perfect thing humans ever created.

..until some social engineer comes along and messes it all up.

You like..you buy.

You want to sell?..you sell.

The rest of it is all nonsense.

[Red Oak]

A public records request uncovered Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries exchanges of phone calls, texts, emails, and attendance of meetings with LGBTQEIEO organization Basic Rights Oregon. The director of the Oregon Bureau of Labor also has finically supported Basic Rights Oregon also.

[ralph]

Capitalism is the only absolutely perfect thing humans ever created.

..until some social engineer comes along and messes it all up.

You like..you buy.

You want to sell?..you sell.

The rest of it is all nonsense.

That's too much Freedom for the emotional leftists Greg .

[Castle Doctrine]

You get to say.."sorry, we don't do that..look elsewhere" if you want to..or should be able to.

If the baker was rude, all the more reason to go elsewhere.

No matter how you shake it..the lesbians are the hateful scum in this story.

They could have and should have just moved on.

Well, if you say that you can never do another wedding cake. Under ordinary circumstances I would have walked out...if it was just rudeness. But, this was rudeness in the process of flouting a law that they clearly were aware of and chose to ignore.

I'm guessing the lesbians are just bad in your view. If you had said they were in the wrong it would have been one thing...but to you they are "hateful scum".

And as far as "moving on" goes why should they have to suffer a lawbreaker to abuse their rights? I heard this in various forms when I was growing up. "Those people just need to stay in their place.", "They have their OWN schools.", "Why can't they appreciate what they DO have?" and "We reserve the right to refuse service...". Of course at he time those were being applied to Blacks. Now it is gays and, you know, I still find it offensive...and dumb.

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[Red Oak]

The Law is ambiguous; no Court has heard this case.

[Red Oak]

Also there is no Right not to be offended; yet.

But you never know what those Black Robed Dictators will make up..........

[ralph]

Think that the Kleins are trying to appeal but that alone is pretty messed up .

[Sangersteve]

Well, if you say that you can never do another wedding cake. Under ordinary circumstances I would have walked out...if it was just rudeness. But, this was rudeness in the process of flouting a law that they clearly were aware of and chose to ignore.
I can't find any Oregon law that says you have to bake a cake for gays, they baked for this couple before, they just didn't want to do the wedding cake.

I'm guessing the lesbians are just bad in your view. If you had said they were in the wrong it would have been one thing...but to you they are "hateful scum".Even the court said one of them was "Hostile,embellishing facts when that party wasn't present at the time

And as far as "moving on" goes why should they have to suffer a lawbreaker to abuse their rights? Oh please abuse over a damn cake, any sane person would have moved along.It's not like they refused them service before this time.I still believe this was a setup from the get go.Who wants a cake from someone who clearly does not want to bake it? I heard this in various forms when I was growing up. "Those people just need to stay in their place.", "They have their OWN schools.", "Why can't they appreciate what they DO have?" and "We reserve the right to refuse service...". Of course at he time those were being applied to Blacks. Now it is gays and, you know, I still find it offensive...and dumb.

I am not anti-gay, it just seems to me that this matter could have been handled to both parties happiness.

Just image your a baker and you are forced by the state to bake that cake, what would it taste like?

[Red Oak]

Like it had cat crap in it

[GFB]

You get to say.."sorry, we don't do that..look elsewhere" if you want to..or should be able to.

If the baker was rude, all the more reason to go elsewhere.

No matter how you shake it..the lesbians are the hateful scum in this story.

They could have and should have just moved on.

Well, if you say that you can never do another wedding cake. Under ordinary circumstances I would have walked out...if it was just rudeness. But, this was rudeness in the process of flouting a law that they clearly were aware of and chose to ignore.

I'm guessing the lesbians are just bad in your view. If you had said they were in the wrong it would have been one thing...but to you they are "hateful scum".

And as far as "moving on" goes why should they have to suffer a lawbreaker to abuse their rights? I heard this in various forms when I was growing up. "Those people just need to stay in their place.", "They have their OWN schools.", "Why can't they appreciate what they DO have?" and "We reserve the right to refuse service...". Of course at he time those were being applied to Blacks. Now it is gays and, you know, I still find it offensive...and dumb.

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I always like to be clear as possible who the good and bad guys are.

"Scum" is the perfect word to differentiate.

Nuance is for losers.