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I may have to ban myself for this

Postby Sangersteve » Fri May 18, 2018 8:22 pm

Obama was the first black president, even though he was half white.

So why isn't Meghan Markle the first black princess in the UK?
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Postby tx3653 » Fri May 18, 2018 9:41 pm

The racial card is played when it helps the situation. It helped Barack get elected. She doesn't need it to become a princess. Harry's lineage does that for her in the white British royal line. Do not claim something that does not help you.

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Postby BigTex » Fri May 18, 2018 9:55 pm

Point of order.

Bill Clinton was the first black president. Meryl Streep's principled press said so.

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Postby Kiamichi » Fri May 18, 2018 10:02 pm

Meghan Markle's mixed racial ancestry is mentioned constantly in the press but apparently King George III's wife, Queen Charlotte, was also partly of black African descent, which would mean that every British monarch since also has been.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ret ... 226acbebcf

But Markle, whose mother is black and whose father is white, may not be the first mixed-race royal.

Some historians suspect that Queen Charlotte, the wife of King George III who bore the king 15 children, was of African descent.

Historian Mario De Valdes y Cocom argues that Queen Charlotte was directly descended from a black branch of the Portuguese royal family: Alfonso III and his concubine, Ouruana, a black Moor.

In the 13th century, “Alfonso III of Portugal conquered a little town named Faro from the Moors,” said Valdes, a researcher on the 1996 FRONTLINE PBS documentary “Secret Daughter.” “He demanded [the governor’s] daughter as a paramour. He had three children with her.”


According to Valdes, one of their sons, Martin Alfonso, married into the noble de Sousa family, who also had black ancestry. Queen Charlotte had African blood from both families.

Valdes, who grew up in Belize, began researching Queen Charlotte’s African ancestry in 1967, after he moved to Boston.

“I had heard these stories from my Jamaican nanny, Etheralda ‘TeeTee’ Cole,” Valdes recalled.

He discovered that a royal physician, Baron Christian Friedrich Stockmar, described Queen Charlotte as “small and crooked, with a true mulatto face.”

Sir Walter Scott wrote that she was “ill-colored” and called her family “a bunch of ill-colored orangutans.”

One prime minister once wrote of Queen Charlotte: “Her nose is too wide and her lips too thick.”

In several British colonies, Queen Charlotte was often honored by blacks who were convinced from her portraits and likeness on coins that she had African ancestry.

Valdes became fascinated by official portraits of Queen Charlotte in which her features, he said, were visibly “negroid.”

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Postby jellowrestling » Fri May 18, 2018 11:16 pm

Kiamichi wrote:Meghan Markle's mixed racial ancestry is mentioned constantly in the press but apparently King George III's wife, Queen Charlotte, was also partly of black African descent, which would mean that every British monarch since also has been.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ret ... 226acbebcf

But Markle, whose mother is black and whose father is white, may not be the first mixed-race royal.

Some historians suspect that Queen Charlotte, the wife of King George III who bore the king 15 children, was of African descent.

Historian Mario De Valdes y Cocom argues that Queen Charlotte was directly descended from a black branch of the Portuguese royal family: Alfonso III and his concubine, Ouruana, a black Moor.

In the 13th century, “Alfonso III of Portugal conquered a little town named Faro from the Moors,” said Valdes, a researcher on the 1996 FRONTLINE PBS documentary “Secret Daughter.” “He demanded [the governor’s] daughter as a paramour. He had three children with her.”


According to Valdes, one of their sons, Martin Alfonso, married into the noble de Sousa family, who also had black ancestry. Queen Charlotte had African blood from both families.

Valdes, who grew up in Belize, began researching Queen Charlotte’s African ancestry in 1967, after he moved to Boston.

“I had heard these stories from my Jamaican nanny, Etheralda ‘TeeTee’ Cole,” Valdes recalled.

He discovered that a royal physician, Baron Christian Friedrich Stockmar, described Queen Charlotte as “small and crooked, with a true mulatto face.”

Sir Walter Scott wrote that she was “ill-colored” and called her family “a bunch of ill-colored orangutans.”

One prime minister once wrote of Queen Charlotte: “Her nose is too wide and her lips too thick.”

In several British colonies, Queen Charlotte was often honored by blacks who were convinced from her portraits and likeness on coins that she had African ancestry.

Valdes became fascinated by official portraits of Queen Charlotte in which her features, he said, were visibly “negroid.”

It's actually not known if she had an African ancestor, but if she did, she would have only been 1/32,768ths African (give or take), since the ancestor who is rumoured to be African was 15 generations removed.


Of course, the Hanoverian line ended with Victoria, and the House of Windsor are relatives of her husband, Prince-Consort Albert, so I'm not sure what blood relation they are, anyway.

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Re: I may have to ban myself for this

Postby Kiamichi » Fri May 18, 2018 11:42 pm

jellowrestling wrote:
Kiamichi wrote:Meghan Markle's mixed racial ancestry is mentioned constantly in the press but apparently King George III's wife, Queen Charlotte, was also partly of black African descent, which would mean that every British monarch since also has been.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ret ... 226acbebcf

But Markle, whose mother is black and whose father is white, may not be the first mixed-race royal.

Some historians suspect that Queen Charlotte, the wife of King George III who bore the king 15 children, was of African descent.

Historian Mario De Valdes y Cocom argues that Queen Charlotte was directly descended from a black branch of the Portuguese royal family: Alfonso III and his concubine, Ouruana, a black Moor.

In the 13th century, “Alfonso III of Portugal conquered a little town named Faro from the Moors,” said Valdes, a researcher on the 1996 FRONTLINE PBS documentary “Secret Daughter.” “He demanded [the governor’s] daughter as a paramour. He had three children with her.”


According to Valdes, one of their sons, Martin Alfonso, married into the noble de Sousa family, who also had black ancestry. Queen Charlotte had African blood from both families.

Valdes, who grew up in Belize, began researching Queen Charlotte’s African ancestry in 1967, after he moved to Boston.

“I had heard these stories from my Jamaican nanny, Etheralda ‘TeeTee’ Cole,” Valdes recalled.

He discovered that a royal physician, Baron Christian Friedrich Stockmar, described Queen Charlotte as “small and crooked, with a true mulatto face.”

Sir Walter Scott wrote that she was “ill-colored” and called her family “a bunch of ill-colored orangutans.”

One prime minister once wrote of Queen Charlotte: “Her nose is too wide and her lips too thick.”

In several British colonies, Queen Charlotte was often honored by blacks who were convinced from her portraits and likeness on coins that she had African ancestry.

Valdes became fascinated by official portraits of Queen Charlotte in which her features, he said, were visibly “negroid.”

It's actually not known if she had an African ancestor, but if she did, she would have only been 1/32,768ths African (give or take), since the ancestor who is rumoured to be African was 15 generations removed.


Of course, the Hanoverian line ended with Victoria, and the House of Windsor are relatives of her husband, Prince-Consort Albert, so I'm not sure what blood relation they are, anyway.

Every British King or Queen since George III is directly descended from him and Queen Charlotte (unless the rumors about Victoria's illegitimacy are true).

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Postby planosteve » Sat May 19, 2018 4:52 am

The English should have ended all this royalty nonsense a long long time ago.
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Postby LibraryLady2 » Sun May 20, 2018 7:49 am

I thought she was and that was getting some Royal family members in trouble.

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Postby mayhem » Sun May 20, 2018 6:52 pm

planosteve wrote:The English should have ended all this royalty nonsense a long long time ago.



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