Against our better judgement

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Soon after WWII, US statesman Dean Acheson warned that creating Israel on land already inhabited by Palestinians would “imperil” both American and all Western interests in the region. Despite warnings such as this one, President Truman supported establishing a Jewish state on land primarily inhabited by Muslims and Christians.

Few Americans today are aware that US support enabled the creation of modern Israel. Even fewer know that US politicians pushed this policy over the forceful objections of top diplomatic and military experts.

As this work demonstrates, these politicians were bombarded by a massive pro-Israel lobbying effort that ranged from well-funded and very public Zionist organizations to an “elitist secret society” whose members included Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis.
AGAINST OUR BETTER JUDGMENT brings together meticulously sourced evidence to illuminate a reality that differs starkly from the prevailing narrative. It provides a clear view of the history that is key to understanding one of the most critically important political issues of our day.

"This provocative book documents a history that is essential in understanding today’s world. Scholarly, yet readable, it is a must for all Americans." – Senator James Abourezk

"If you never read another book, read this one." – The Daily Kos diaries

https://www.amazon.com/Against-Our-Bett ... 149591092X

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Jews lived in that region for several thousand years..many centuries before Islam was “invented.”

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Jews lived in that region for several thousand years..many centuries before Islam was “invented.”

Is that historical fact or religious dogma?

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Jews lived in that region for several thousand years..many centuries before Islam was “invented.”

Is that historical fact or religious dogma?

It is historical fact.

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Jews lived in that region for several thousand years..many centuries before Islam was “invented.”

Is that historical fact or religious dogma?

It is historical fact.

OK, give me the historical reference.

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The history of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel begins in the 2nd millennium BCE, when Israelites emerged as an outgrowth of southern Canaanites.[1][2][3][4] During biblical times, a postulated United Kingdom of Israel existed but then split into two Israelite kingdoms occupying the highland zone: the Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) in the north, and the Kingdom of Judah in the south.[5] The Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Neo-Assyrian Empire (circa 722 BCE), and the Kingdom of Judah by the Neo-Babylonian Empire (586 BCE). Initially exiled to Babylon, upon the defeat of the Neo-Babylonian Empire by the Achaemenid Empire under Cyrus the Great (538 BCE), many of the Jewish exiles returned to Jerusalem, building the Second Temple.

In 332 BCE the kingdom of Macedonia under Alexander the Great conquered the Achaemenid Empire, which included Yehud (Judea). This event started a long religious struggle that split the Jewish population into traditional and Hellenized components. After the religion-driven Maccabean Revolt, the independent Hasmonean Kingdom was established in 165 BCE. In 64 BCE, the Roman Republic conquered Judea, first subjugating it as a client state before ultimately converting it into a Roman province in 6 CE. Although coming under the sway of various empires and home to a variety of ethnicities, the area of ancient Israel was predominantly Jewish until the Jewish–Roman wars of 66–136 CE. The wars commenced a long period of violence, enslavement, expulsion, displacement, forced conversion, and forced migration against the local Jewish population by the Roman Empire (and successor Byzantine State), beginning the Jewish diaspora.

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And the source?

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And the source?

Maybe he just made it up!

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And the source?

Maybe he just made it up!

You’re the one that supposedly had a Jewish wife.

If you had, she would have known about Jews in Ancient Israel when she was in second grade.

Hey..why not try googling Jews in Ancient Israel.

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And the source?

Maybe he just made it up!

You’re the one that supposedly had a Jewish wife.

If you had, she would have known about Jews in Ancient Israel when she was in second grade.

Hey..why not try googling Jews in Ancient Israel.

Anybody can be a Jew. Just go into a synagogue and sign up. You don't have to know anything.

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Maybe he just made it up!

You’re the one that supposedly had a Jewish wife.

If you had, she would have known about Jews in Ancient Israel when she was in second grade.

Hey..why not try googling Jews in Ancient Israel.

Anybody can be a Jew. Just go into a synagogue and sign up. You don't have to know anything.

That was dumb..but either way, with all your geo political yapping you should know that the Jews have been in and all around what is now Israel..several thousand years ago.

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Your avoiding the question. What was the source of the information?

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Your avoiding the question. What was the source of the information?

I told you to simply Google Jews in ancient Israel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... _of_Israel

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Your avoiding the question. What was the source of the information?

I told you to simply Google Jews in ancient Israel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... _of_Israel

I should have figured!

Wikipedia is not considered a credible source. While it can be a good starting point for research, it is not reliable for academic or professional purposes. Information on Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, and inaccuracies may exist. pglt=2211&q=is+wikipedia+a+credible+source&cvid=fcae25882b70436dbfb8d392a4a36699&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggCEAAYQDIGCAAQRRg5MgYIARAAGEAyBggCEAAYQDIGCAMQABhAMgYIBBAAGEAyBggFEAAYQDIGCAYQABhAMgYIBxBFGDwyBggIEEUYPNIBCTEyMjE2ajBqMagCALACAA&FORM=ANNTA1&adppc=EDGEESS&PC=EDGEESS

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Your avoiding the question. What was the source of the information?

I told you to simply Google Jews in ancient Israel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... _of_Israel

I should have figured!

Wikipedia is not considered a credible source. While it can be a good starting point for research, it is not reliable for academic or professional purposes. Information on Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, and inaccuracies may exist. pglt=2211&q=is+wikipedia+a+credible+source&cvid=fcae25882b70436dbfb8d392a4a36699&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggCEAAYQDIGCAAQRRg5MgYIARAAGEAyBggCEAAYQDIGCAMQABhAMgYIBBAAGEAyBggFEAAYQDIGCAYQABhAMgYIBxBFGDwyBggIEEUYPNIBCTEyMjE2ajBqMagCALACAA&FORM=ANNTA1&adppc=EDGEESS&PC=EDGEESS

Are you really that stupid to believe that Jews arrived for the first time when modern day Israel was created?

I guess you’ve never heard of Moses, Abraham, Jesus, or the enslavement of the Jewish people by the ancient Pharaohs of Egypt?

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I tend to believe anything in the bible more than I do anything on the internet. But, I don't believe anything that Nut Job says.

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Once again. Just to make it absolutely clear.

WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A CREDIBLE SOURCE TO "PROVE" ANYTHING!!!

https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=2211&q ... PC=EDGEESS

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Jews in Ancient Israel..not from Wikipedia..

https://jewishstudies.washington.edu/wh ... isemitism/

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More Jews in Ancient Israel..


https://www.livescience.com/55774-ancient-israel.html

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I could post all day about Jews that lived thousands of years ago in what is now Israel and the surrounding areas.

Many, many centuries before Islam was literally “dreamed up.”