And Now Las Vegas - Trump Hotel

[BigTex]

A Tesla Cybertruck burst into flames Wednesday morning just outside the entrance of the Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas, killing one person and injuring several others, according to local officials.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/te ... rcna185932

[Sangersteve]

Tesla (Elon) says all systems of the cybertruck were good.

They suspect a bomb or very large firework.

[Sangersteve]

JUST IN: The Cybertruck that blew up outside of Trump hotel in Las Vegas was rigged with a detonation system, according to CNN.

The incident is being investigated as a potential act of terror.

“That source also revealed what was inside the truck: Explosives that included fireworks, gas tanks and camping fuel. And authorities believed that that was connected to a detonation system controlled by the driver.”

[GFB]

The Muslims are on the warpath.

[BigTex]

The plot thickens. (All allegedly at this point)

Matthew Livelsberger has been named by local media as the suspect found dead inside an explosives-filled Tesla Cybertruck that blew up outside President-elect Donald Trump's Las Vegas hotel on Wednesday, New Year's Day 2025.

Livelsberger, a 37-year-old Army veteran who lived in Colorado Springs, rented the truck that exploded outside Trump International Hotel, local TV station KOAA and the New York Post reported, citing unnamed law enforcement sources.

Livelsberger served at the same Army base as Shamsud-Din Jabbar, the suspect in a New Orleans New Year's Day truck attack that killed at least 15 people, Denver-based station KMGH reports.

https://www.newsweek.com/cybertruck-exp ... as-2008421

Also, Jabbar and Livelsberger allegedly rented their vehicles using the same car rental app.

[planosteve]

Both army veterans. Both apparently committed suicide. Both rented their vehicles online. Hmmmm Is there a message here?

[Red Oak]

Just a supposition on my part, to use a concept from the Left; could we be seeing another manifestation of the "Intersectionality" of the enemies of Western Civilization?

The intersection of the Islamists, Leftists, Transgender-philes, One Worlders, Administrative Statists ?

I believe even Helen Keller can see it.

[Mark]

They all have a common enemy: America.

[BigTex]

Turns out Livelsberger was active duty - Green Beret no less. Sergeant Major. Shot himself in the head before the explosion.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-hotel- ... 0ae926d427

[Red Oak]

For a Special Forces NCO his explosive/incendiary rig was lame.

[BigTex]

Suicide by gun might suggest PTSD.

Blowing up a Muskmobile at a Trump hotel might suggest TDS.

None of this makes sense.

[planosteve]

Suicide by gun might suggest PTSD.

Blowing up a Muskmobile at a Trump hotel might suggest TDS.

None of this makes sense.

Livelsberger served at the same Army base as Shamsud-Din Jabbar
And both sick, sick sons of bitches.
Makes me think there are a whole lot more of them that just haven't twisted off yet.

[Kiamichi]

I am far from a conspiracy theory enthusiast but this Las Vegas business is very strange, much more so than the New Orleans case.

But isn't a Tesla electric car capable of being programmed to drive itself? Here we have a subject who showed none of the red flags of a terrorist, who would have known how to rig up a far more sophisticated bomb than this, and who apparently collected all of the identification he had to make an attack on a very unlikely target. I'm pretty sure the same idea has occurred to investigators but I hope they establish beyond any possible doubt that he was not already dead at the wheel when the vehicle drove into the parking lot.

[GRANDPA]

Did he pass the time playing Solitaire with a deck of 52 red Queens?

[BigTex]

I am far from a conspiracy theory enthusiast but this Las Vegas business is very strange, much more so than the New Orleans case.

But isn't a Tesla electric car capable of being programmed to drive itself? Here we have a subject who showed none of the red flags of a terrorist, who would have known how to rig up a far more sophisticated bomb than this, and who apparently collected all of the identification he had to make an attack on a very unlikely target. I'm pretty sure the same idea has occurred to investigators but I hope they establish beyond any possible doubt that he was not already dead at the wheel when the vehicle drove into the parking lot.

My understanding is that the auto-drive only works on highways. And the driver has to have hands on the steering wheel at all times. But I know very little about Tesla's, other than that I will never own one.

[Kiamichi]

I am far from a conspiracy theory enthusiast but this Las Vegas business is very strange, much more so than the New Orleans case.

But isn't a Tesla electric car capable of being programmed to drive itself? Here we have a subject who showed none of the red flags of a terrorist, who would have known how to rig up a far more sophisticated bomb than this, and who apparently collected all of the identification he had to make an attack on a very unlikely target. I'm pretty sure the same idea has occurred to investigators but I hope they establish beyond any possible doubt that he was not already dead at the wheel when the vehicle drove into the parking lot.

My understanding is that the auto-drive only works on highways. And the driver has to have hands on the steering wheel at all times. But I know very little about Tesla's, other than that I will never own one.

On YouTube this couple used Tesla's "Go to Target" feature that allows the car to travel to a GPS location with nobody in the car, like a driverless valet. The person holding the remote has to be within about 200 feet, according to Tesla--but evidently there is no limit to how far away the "target location" can be.

He then entered a target miles away and they got in the car, he in the passenger seat with the remote control and his wife in the driver's seat, but never touching the wheel or any other control. They traveled over public roads, through traffic lights, a construction zone, etc., for ten minutes completely on autopilot and arrived and stopped at the destination.

What if the only occupant of the Tesla was a corpse and the person with the remote control was in a shadow vehicle? Remember that the person with the remote is supposed to be outside the vehicle, and the effective range is stated as about 200 feet, and likely is actually more. This seems completely feasible from what I see here.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fhHLXXTmU0&t=604s

[Kiamichi]

I am far from a conspiracy theory enthusiast but this Las Vegas business is very strange, much more so than the New Orleans case.

But isn't a Tesla electric car capable of being programmed to drive itself? Here we have a subject who showed none of the red flags of a terrorist, who would have known how to rig up a far more sophisticated bomb than this, and who apparently collected all of the identification he had to make an attack on a very unlikely target. I'm pretty sure the same idea has occurred to investigators but I hope they establish beyond any possible doubt that he was not already dead at the wheel when the vehicle drove into the parking lot.

My understanding is that the auto-drive only works on highways. And the driver has to have hands on the steering wheel at all times. But I know very little about Tesla's, other than that I will never own one.

On YouTube this couple used Tesla's "Go to Target" feature that allows the car to travel to a GPS location with nobody in the car, like a driverless valet. The person holding the remote has to be within about 200 feet, according to Tesla--but evidently there is no limit to how far away the "target location" can be.

He then entered a target miles away and they got in the car, he in the passenger seat with the remote control and his wife in the driver's seat, but never touching the wheel or any other control. They traveled over public roads, through traffic lights, a construction zone, etc., for ten minutes completely on autopilot and arrived and stopped at the destination.

What if the only occupant of the Tesla was a corpse and the person with the remote control was in a shadow vehicle? Remember that the person with the remote is supposed to be outside the vehicle, and the effective range is stated as about 200 feet, and likely is actually more. This seems completely feasible from what I see here.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fhHLXXTmU0&t=604s

It only occurred to me after posting that there was no need for a shadow vehicle at all, they could have simply left the phone app in the vehicle and sent it on its way and it would have traveled until it arrived at its target or ran out of gas.

[Kiamichi]

My understanding is that the auto-drive only works on highways. And the driver has to have hands on the steering wheel at all times. But I know very little about Tesla's, other than that I will never own one.

On YouTube this couple used Tesla's "Go to Target" feature that allows the car to travel to a GPS location with nobody in the car, like a driverless valet. The person holding the remote has to be within about 200 feet, according to Tesla--but evidently there is no limit to how far away the "target location" can be.

He then entered a target miles away and they got in the car, he in the passenger seat with the remote control and his wife in the driver's seat, but never touching the wheel or any other control. They traveled over public roads, through traffic lights, a construction zone, etc., for ten minutes completely on autopilot and arrived and stopped at the destination.

What if the only occupant of the Tesla was a corpse and the person with the remote control was in a shadow vehicle? Remember that the person with the remote is supposed to be outside the vehicle, and the effective range is stated as about 200 feet, and likely is actually more. This seems completely feasible from what I see here.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fhHLXXTmU0&t=604s

It only occurred to me after posting that there was no need for a shadow vehicle at all, they could have simply left the phone app in the vehicle and sent it on its way and it would have traveled until it arrived at its target or ran out of gas.

The sheriff at the Las Vegas press conference today said that the Tesla's computer chip showed it had not been in self-drive mode at any time that day so that puts that theory to rest.

[BigTex]

I think as the layers are peeled back on this it's going to point to Livelsberger suffering from PTSD or some sort of traumatic brain injury.

Any connection to the New Orleans killer now seems unlikely, but who knows?

[planosteve]

Suicide by gun might suggest PTSD.

Blowing up a Muskmobile at a Trump hotel might suggest TDS.

None of this makes sense.

Livelsberger served at the same Army base as Shamsud-Din Jabbar
And both sick, sick sons of bitches.
Makes me think there are a whole lot more of them that just haven't twisted off yet.

I have changed my mind on this. There is a huge difference in the two events. He probably did some things in the military that he couldn't live with. Livelsberger was very careful not to endanger anyone else. In fact he did no damage at all except to the vehicle manufactured by Trump's buddy. And he killed himself in front of a Trump Hotel for a reason. It may one of those that Trump leases his name out to.