Let's end, once and for all, the myth of Elon Musk's genius

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Let's end, once and for all, the myth of Elon Musk's genius

Postby planosteve » Sat May 31, 2025 7:37 am

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Both Joe Rogan and Donald Trump call Musk a genius. In fact, they call him a 'super genius'.

Except that Musk is no such thing. As Bill Clayton wrote in November of 2023

Musk’s strength is having the enormous wealth to breathe life into existing ideas by hiring experts who do have the expertise to achieve his goals. I haven’t seen any reports about what goes on behind closed doors, but I’m guessing he hasn’t contributed anything in the way of engineering insight and problem-solving that puts people in orbit.

Musk's wealth arose from a joint effort between Musk and his brother, Kindal and one other person. By all accounts, Kindal is actually the smarter of the two though Musk is the more aggressive when seeking attention.

For instance, when Musk bought Twitter, his first thought was to use a blockchain, somehow, with the application—solely because this was the 'kool kidz' tech of the time. It was Kindal who talked him out of his idiotic idea. Now Musk wants to put the treasury systems on blockchain, a plan so idiotic that it makes my teeth hurt even thinking about it.

Then there's the Musk proposition about using AI to root out all fraud and waste in government. Sure, it's easy to convert a decades-old legacy system that's likely the largest in the world consisting of millions if not billions of lines of code into gee-wiz AI in a day or two. No prob.

However, you only have to look at the AI search results we've all laughed at to know how moronic this idea is.

Or look at the current use of AI art. Now, whose arm is that? What's wrong with those thumbs?
Musk is aggressive, shrewd, brash, petty, and impulsive, but he is no genius. And what he and his band of merry little Musketts are doing to the government is proof positive that he's not only not a genius, he's actually not all that bright.

Take the government firings. The DOGE decided that they wanted to reduce government costs easily, so they focused on firing government employees as low-hanging fruit—without any attention to the fact that the total compensation for government employees is approximately $293 billion dollars, or 4.3% of government funding.

(And why not? After all, Musk crowed about feeding USAID to the wood chipper and bragged about the money saved, when our foreign aid is about 1% of the budget. Oh, and people died.)

DOGE also didn't take into account that many of these employees live throughout the country and federal employment is a major financial benefit for many areas.

As an example, take Wyoming. Beautiful land for the most part, and a favorite tourist destination. As part of an effort to incorporate a sense of stability for the seasonal workers in the area, President Biden categorized these workers are permanent seasonal employees, with all the rights of government workers.

As new employees, each was put on probationary status, even though most have worked in the national parks for years. But being on probationary status was enough for DOGE to fire at least 10% of park workers, maybe more. That's almost 1,000 people fired of the 8100 jobs in Wyoming.

And each of these jobs, with their stable income, leads to other jobs in the community where the federal workers reside. So firing these workers will not only mean our national parks aren't being maintained or kept safe, but will have an economic ripple effect across the entire state.

Many of the Musk/DOGE firings weren't just ill-considered and bad, they were a major screw up. An example of this was the firings of the people in the National Nuclear Safety Administration, part of the Department of Energy, who keep our nuclear stockpiles safe and secure.

Sources told CNN that DOGE staffers apparently did not realize that the agency oversees America’s nuclear weapons stockpile when the employees were fired Thursday. The terminations were quickly rescinded Friday, CNN reported

The workers were fired because “no one” had “taken any time to understand what we do and the importance of our work to the nation’s national security,” one source told CNN.

Energy Department scrambles to rehire nuclear bomb experts fired in major DOGE screw up

What's worse, now the government can't find the people to rehire them because they cancelled all their federal emails.

A memo sent to NNSA employees on Friday and obtained by NBC News read: "The termination letters for some NNSA probationary employees are being rescinded, but we do not have a good way to get in touch with those personnel."

"Please work with your supervisors to send this information (once you get it) to people's personal contact emails," the memo added.

US government tries to rehire nuclear staff it fired days ago

The Musk/DOGE team also fired 50 first year members of the elite CDC Epidemic Intelligence Service, one of the premier disease research groups in the world. This, as humans infected with bird flu have been discovered in several new states this week.

Firing critically necessary people demonstrates how poorly managed this destructive action was. People fired were fired, unfired, and fired again. There's been chaos across the government, which means our tax refunds aren't being processed, our FEMA requests aren't being answered, and any number of other essential government services aren't being performed.

Also, by firing the newer members of government, we have lost a generational chance to bring in new ideas, new technologies, new training, as well as ensuring there are enough workers to actually perform the tasks and jobs delegated to them by Congress.

We know we don't have enough migration judges, but we have even less now because Musk/DOGE just fired twenty.

The sheer stupidity of this mass, sudden firing is mind-boggling. It's like Musk and his little gang of ijits didn't spend ten minutes on trying to understand what a government is, and how it works. Musk somehow believes that what worked for Twitter—nothing more than one social media app among many—would work for the US Government.

And then forgot that whole sudden firing thing didn't work that well for Twitter, either.

The federal employees fired were told to get out now; in many cases, to clear out in 30 minutes. There's no time to ensure a half finished job will be finished correctly, or let folks know where you're at with a task. It will be days just to discover where people left off, and even more days (weeks or months) to finish the task, because there won't be enough people to do all the work that needs to be done even when they finally recover from the chaos.

Just like Twitter. Except it won't be a social media site going offline for a few hours every other day, it will be closed national parks, disease outbreaks, criminals who won't get caught, risks to our national security, unpaid taxpayers, no support in a disaster, no home loans, no VA medical, and who knows, maybe we can no longer count on getting our Social Security checks, or that our doctors will get paid by Medicare.

The havoc happening right now will negatively impact on the government for years. The only silver lining is that when all of this crap really hits the fan, the country will have no doubt as who is to blame, and it certainly won't be someone named Biden or Harris.

That's probably the ultimate measure of Musk's supposed 'genius': smart people don't shoot themselves in the foot. Repeatedly.
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Re: Let's end, once and for all, the myth of Elon Musk's genius

Postby GFB » Sat May 31, 2025 9:26 am

Total B.S. thread
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Re: Let's end, once and for all, the myth of Elon Musk's genius

Postby rusty » Sat May 31, 2025 10:10 am

When I was a little kid I used to blow up rockets too. Never could get the hang of those Estes rockets.
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Re: Let's end, once and for all, the myth of Elon Musk's genius

Postby Ric » Sat May 31, 2025 11:10 am

most of what you said seems to prove that most of his moves are genius.
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Re: Let's end, once and for all, the myth of Elon Musk's genius

Postby Mark » Sat May 31, 2025 11:16 am

Insane jealousy of success is a typical Leftist trait.
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Re: Let's end, once and for all, the myth of Elon Musk's genius

Postby rusty » Sat May 31, 2025 11:18 am

Mark wrote:Insane jealousy of success is a typical Leftist trait.



I don’t have jealousy of success, but I do have little patience for overly inflated egos.
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Re: Let's end, once and for all, the myth of Elon Musk's genius

Postby GFB » Sat May 31, 2025 1:45 pm

Mark wrote:Insane jealousy of success is a typical Leftist trait.


So true
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Re: Let's end, once and for all, the myth of Elon Musk's genius

Postby rusty » Sat May 31, 2025 2:22 pm

GFB wrote:
Mark wrote:Insane jealousy of success is a typical Leftist trait.


So true



You know, if I placed any value on either of your opinions. I might be offended. But I don’t, so I’m not.

Most of the time I’m just laughing at you.
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Re: Let's end, once and for all, the myth of Elon Musk's genius

Postby jellowrestling » Sat May 31, 2025 5:44 pm

GFB wrote:
Mark wrote:Insane jealousy of success is a typical Leftist trait.


So true

Ditto

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Re: Let's end, once and for all, the myth of Elon Musk's genius

Postby jellowrestling » Sat May 31, 2025 5:45 pm

rusty wrote:When I was a little kid I used to blow up rockets too. Never could get the hang of those Estes rockets.

SpaceX has a better safety record than NASA.

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Re: Let's end, once and for all, the myth of Elon Musk's genius

Postby rusty » Sat May 31, 2025 6:24 pm

jellowrestling wrote:
rusty wrote:When I was a little kid I used to blow up rockets too. Never could get the hang of those Estes rockets.

SpaceX has a better safety record than NASA.


Well, it’s a good thing he’s not sending up any live humans. Because his track record, so far, is abysmal.
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Re: Let's end, once and for all, the myth of Elon Musk's genius

Postby jellowrestling » Sat May 31, 2025 6:33 pm

rusty wrote:
jellowrestling wrote:
rusty wrote:When I was a little kid I used to blow up rockets too. Never could get the hang of those Estes rockets.

SpaceX has a better safety record than NASA.


Well, it’s a good thing he’s not sending up any live humans. Because his track record, so far, is abysmal.

No, it's really not.

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Re: Let's end, once and for all, the myth of Elon Musk's genius

Postby rusty » Sat May 31, 2025 7:03 pm

jellowrestling wrote:
rusty wrote:
jellowrestling wrote:SpaceX has a better safety record than NASA.


Well, it’s a good thing he’s not sending up any live humans. Because his track record, so far, is abysmal.

No, it's really not.


NASA has been around since 1958, SpaceX not so much. They damn sure should have a better record.

Look, if you were going up in a rocket, who would you rather have? Musk or NASA?
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Re: Let's end, once and for all, the myth of Elon Musk's genius

Postby planosteve » Sun Jun 01, 2025 6:36 am

President Donald Trump appears indifferent to the alleged drug use of one of his top advisers.

The New York Times reported Friday that Elon Musk was regularly consuming ketamine, ecstasy, psychedelic mushrooms, Ambient, Adderall and other drugs while on the campaign trail with Trump. The newspaper said it based its report on private messages it obtained, along with interviews with “more than a dozen people” who know Musk.

It’s unclear whether his drug use changed once he took his place at the helm of the so-called Department of Government Efficiency, an initiative that has fired thousands of federal staffers and gutted key agencies under the stated aim of curbing wasteful spending. He officially left his role with DOGE earlier this week.

Trump appeared not to care about this when asked Friday by a reporter if the reported drug use troubled him.

“I’m not troubled by anything with Elon,” he said at the Joint Base Andrews in Maryland. “I think he’s fantastic. Did a great job. And, you know, DOGE continues. And by the time he’s finished, we’ll have numbers that’ll knock your socks off.”

“He did a fantastic job,” the president added. “And he didn’t need it, he didn’t need to do it.”

Musk spent a fortune to help reelect Trump and was later made a “special government employee” to spearhead DOGE. The world’s richest man then gained access, potentially illegally, to highly sensitive government data and hired a group of unvetted 20-somethings for help.

The tech billionaire has called Social Security, one of the most enduring safety nets Americans have ever had, a “Ponzi scheme.” He also danced around onstage at the Conservative Political Action Conference in February wielding a symbolic chainsaw to celebrate his work.

The Times reported that Musk’s drug consumption ramped up around the same time he started joining Trump on the campaign trail last year, and that he regularly traveled with a medication box that held some 20 various pills.

Rather than address the allegations on Friday, Musk attacked the Times’ credibility.

“Is The New York Times — is that the same publication that got a Pulitzer Prize for false reporting on the Russiagate?” he asked. “Is that the same organization? I think it is.”

Musk has previously admitted to taking “a small amount” of ketamine every other week, and was famously shown smoking marijuana on the “Joe Rogan Experience” podcast in 2018.

Musk said Friday that despite his DOGE tenure being over, he hopes to remain Trump’s “friend and an adviser.”
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Re: Let's end, once and for all, the myth of Elon Musk's genius

Postby Ric » Sun Jun 01, 2025 9:32 am

rusty wrote:
jellowrestling wrote:
rusty wrote:
Well, it’s a good thing he’s not sending up any live humans. Because his track record, so far, is abysmal.

No, it's really not.


NASA has been around since 1958, SpaceX not so much. They damn sure should have a better record.

Look, if you were going up in a rocket, who would you rather have? Musk or NASA?


I'm not so sure those astronauts that were marooned at the Space Station would agree with you.

They came home because SpaceX could and would .... NASA? Not so much.
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Re: Let's end, once and for all, the myth of Elon Musk's genius

Postby rusty » Sun Jun 01, 2025 11:17 am

Ric wrote:
rusty wrote:
jellowrestling wrote:No, it's really not.


NASA has been around since 1958, SpaceX not so much. They damn sure should have a better record.

Look, if you were going up in a rocket, who would you rather have? Musk or NASA?


I'm not so sure those astronauts that were marooned at the Space Station would agree with you.

They came home because SpaceX could and would .... NASA? Not so much.


At least they got there without blowing up.
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Postby GFB » Sun Jun 01, 2025 11:42 am

NASA has killed many Astronauts..dozens actually.

They’ve stranded some as well.

Spacex had to rescue them, and has killed no one.

No contest..Spacex is a home run.

NASA has decades of failure.
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Postby GFB » Sun Jun 01, 2025 11:47 am

Like everything else in government, NASA is just DEI hell now.
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Re: Let's end, once and for all, the myth of Elon Musk's genius

Postby rusty » Sun Jun 01, 2025 1:53 pm

GFB wrote:NASA has killed many Astronauts..dozens actually.

They’ve stranded some as well.

Spacex had to rescue them, and has killed no one.

No contest..Spacex is a home run.

NASA has decades of failure.


That was dumb. Another nut job post.
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Re: Let's end, once and for all, the myth of Elon Musk's genius

Postby GRANDPA » Sun Jun 01, 2025 5:05 pm

GFB wrote:NASA has killed many Astronauts..dozens actually.
Twenty-one is not dozens.
They’ve stranded some as well. :roll: That's what, TWO?
Spacex had to rescue them, and has killed no one. No contest. Spacex is a home run.

NASA has decades of failure.
NASA put men on the Moon 11 years after it was established, 9 years after putting the first American in space. SpaceX has been around since 2002, other than reusable rockets & LEO missions, what have they done? Let's wait & see how SpaceX is doing after 67 years.
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