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The Killing of Osama bin Laden

Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:52 pm
by planosteve
Seymour Hersh has published this story recently about what really happened when bin Laden was killed.

Bin Laden was turned in by a Pakistani "walk-in" who did it for the reward money. The raid was done with the help of the Pakistani's who had known he was there all the time. They also made it possible for the helicopters to fly into Pak airspace without getting
intercepted.

The ISI guards in the compound were told to leave as soon as they heard the helicopters. So, there was no resistance. They killed him and put him in a body bag. It is not clear what they did with the body, but he was NOT buried as sea. Probably flown to Afghanistan. His compound and upkeep was paid for by the Saudis. The official story was manipulated by the WH to help reelect Obama. The biggest lie was that the Paks didn't know he was there, the US intelligence figured it out.

It's pretty long, but worth reading.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden

Re: The Killing of Osama bin Laden

Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 2:12 pm
by Red Oak
This story does sounds plausible.

But then Bin Laden, could be cave caulk in Tora Bora also.

Re: The Killing of Osama bin Laden

Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 2:22 pm
by planosteve
I will have to revise my opinion. I had thought he died of natural causes in Dec of 02 like the obits in the foreign press said and which was announced on Fox News. Last time I'll ever believe Faux News.

Re: The Killing of Osama bin Laden

Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 8:19 am
by planosteve

Re: The Killing of Osama bin Laden

Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 8:32 am
by John in Plano
planosteve wrote:I will have to revise my opinion. I had thought he died of natural causes in Dec of 02 like the obits in the foreign press said and which was announced on Fox News. Last time I'll ever believe Faux News.


It was Dec 2001

Re: The Killing of Osama bin Laden

Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 9:03 am
by planosteve
John in Plano wrote:
planosteve wrote:I will have to revise my opinion. I had thought he died of natural causes in Dec of 02 like the obits in the foreign press said and which was announced on Fox News. Last time I'll ever believe Faux News.


It was Dec 2001

Whatever. It seems to me that Obama had bin Laden on ice at the compound. The plan was to kill him at the appropriate time before the election to
give him a big boost at the polls.

Re: The Killing of Osama bin Laden

Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 6:12 am
by planosteve
There is a lot of contraversy about Hersh's story. Surprisingly, the far right tend to support the White House's story and the rediculous claim that they killed bin Laden because they didn't want to risk the lives of the SEAL's. I think the real reason is that they hate Hersh.

Re: The Killing of Osama bin Laden

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 6:06 am
by planosteve
Interesting counter piece to Hersh's claims.

Seymour Hersh Succumbs To Disinformation — Paul Craig Roberts

Hersh’s story does prove that the US government is a liar, but it does not prove that a SEAL team murdered Osama bin Laden

Hersh concludes that the Obama regime’s account of the killing of bin Laden is a total fabrication except for the fact that bin Laden was killed.

I do not believe Hersh’s story for three reasons. One reason is that bin Laden was suffering from disease that no one can survive for a decade. His death was widely reported in 2001. One reason is that even Hersh’s “true” account of “what really happened” is contradicted by eye witnesses and the initial Pakistani TV interviews of eye witnesses. One reason is that Hersh’s story is too convoluted for an assassination raid, a routine event. He exposes lies within lies, indecision within decision, payoffs within payoffs, and reports such a huge number of people with advance knowledge of the raid that it cannot possibly have been kept a secret.

I could add a fourth reason–the US government’s lack of credibility. Washington lies about everything. For example: Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction, Assad’s use of chemical weapons, Iranian nukes, Russian invasion of Ukraine. If, as Hersh reports, lies comprise 99% of Washington’s tale of the raid in Abbottabad, why believe that 1% of the story is true and that bin Laden was killed. It is difficult to have murder without a body. The only evidence that bin Laden was killed is the government’s claim.

In my opinion, Washington’s disinformation agencies have finally managed to deceive Seymour Hersh with a concocted “inside story” that saves Washington’s claim of having murdered bin Laden by proving that the US government is an extraordinary liar and violator of law.

Hersh’s story does prove that the US government is a liar, but it does not prove that a SEAL team murdered Osama bin Laden.