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Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:56 am
by planosteve
Extremists in Iraq Continue March Toward Baghdad
With Islamist militants marching on Baghdad, the enfeebled democratic government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has expressed a willingness to allow the U.S. to conduct airstrikes on the insurgents, CNN reports.
The U.S. withdrew its last troops from Iraq in December 2011 — a “new dawn” for the country, the Prime Minister said at the time. However, many believe the resultant power vacuum has permitted insurgent forces to gain traction in the country. Over the past week, the Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS) and other Islamic fundamentalist groups have seized the major cities of Mosul and Tikrit, and have displaced more than 500,000 Iraqis, according to a report released on Wednesday by the International Organization for Migration.
The country’s Foreign Minister, Hoshyar Zabari, told CNN that the situation was “mortal.” Unnamed officials told CNN that Washington was looking to see what further support it could provide Baghdad besides the $15 billion worth of equipment and training it had already given.
On Thursday, a 17-minute audio recording, purportedly of ISIS spokesman Abu Mohammed al-Adnani, emerged urging fighters to “continue [their] march as the battle is not yet raging.”
“It will rage in Baghdad and Karbala. So be ready for it,” it says.
http://time.com/2862759/iraq-insurgent- ... r-strikes/
Re: Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:39 am
by Bob Of Burleson
planosteve wrote:Should We Return to Iraq to provide air support?
Only if Iraq helps us defend our southern border. Are Iraqis good at building walls?
Re: Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:04 am
by planosteve
But, we've already spent a trillion dollars and over 4,000 American lives and will have to pay at least another trillion to care for the wounded during the rest of their lives. So, we should just write all of that off?
Re: Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:30 am
by Allen
If it's just air strikes then sure. Then send them the bill.
If not, then screw'em. Their democratically elected government chose to not to keep us around to help with their security so........oops.
Re: Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:22 am
by GFB
Allen wrote:If it's just air strikes then sure. Then send them the bill.
If not, then screw'em. Their democratically elected government chose to not to keep us around to help with their security so........oops.
I think it was OUR democratically elected government that bailed on Iraq.
So no, let history record..GW Bush won the war in Iraq..and Obama flushed it all all down the toilet.
Re: Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:59 am
by Grassman
This is one of those tough sh*t moments. You could have had democracy.
Re: Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:08 am
by planosteve
GFB wrote:Allen wrote:If it's just air strikes then sure. Then send them the bill.
If not, then screw'em. Their democratically elected government chose to not to keep us around to help with their security so........oops.
I think it was OUR democratically elected government that bailed on Iraq.
So no, let history record..GW Bush won the war in Iraq..and Obama flushed it all all down the toilet.
We were told by the Bush administration that we would be treated as liberators. That they would be tossing flowers at us as we passed by in our canvas doored jeeps. We won the war, was there ever any doubt?
But, then Bush blew it. Not suprising as we couldn't speak the language, didn't understand the history or the dynamics and returned them to their natural state of continuous religious wars.
Unless we were planning to occupy the country forever, a civil war was the only possible outcome.
Then Obama came along and was as stupid and incompetent as Nixon was in Viet Nam.
Re: Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:12 am
by GFB
planosteve wrote:GFB wrote:Allen wrote:If it's just air strikes then sure. Then send them the bill.
If not, then screw'em. Their democratically elected government chose to not to keep us around to help with their security so........oops.
I think it was OUR democratically elected government that bailed on Iraq.
So no, let history record..GW Bush won the war in Iraq..and Obama flushed it all all down the toilet.
We were told by the Bush administration that we would be treated as liberators. That they would be tossing flowers at us as we passed by in our canvas doored jeeps. We won the war, was there ever any doubt?
But, then Bush blew it. Not suprising as we couldn't speak the language, didn't understand the history or the dynamics and returned them to their natural state of continuous religious wars.
Unless we were planning to occupy the country forever, a civil war was the only possible outcome.
Then Obama came along and was as stupid and incompetent as Nixon was in Viet Nam.
..basically true..and every time someone at DD asked me how long we should stay in Iraq..I always said.."forever."
..and that we should build the largest military base in the Middle East in Baghdad.
Re: Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:13 am
by GFB
It would have been the perfect staging ground to keep that part of the world from.."scumification."
Re: Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:35 am
by planosteve
GFB wrote:It would have been the perfect staging ground to keep that part of the world from.."scumification."
The only thing you missed is how much is it going to cost and how are we going to pay for it.
And why would we even want to.
Re: Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:28 pm
by Red Oak
Take up the White Man's burden, The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly Bring all your hopes to nought.
Re: Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:57 pm
by GFB
Red Oak wrote:Take up the White Man's burden, The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly Bring all your hopes to nought.
WHAT???
Re: Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:43 pm
by Red Oak
You never read Kipling ?
Re: Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:48 pm
by Bob Of Burleson
Blame it on Mowgli.
Re: Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:00 pm
by GFB
Red Oak wrote:You never read Kipling ?
Oh, I imagine some teacher some time made me..but I made it a point to block out everything I learned in school..never did find a use for anything that came out of there.
Re: Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:19 pm
by BillB
Red Oak wrote:You never read Kipling ?
Re: Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:31 pm
by Red Oak
GFB wrote:Red Oak wrote:You never read Kipling ?
Oh, I imagine some teacher some time made me..but I made it a point to block out everything I learned in school..never did find a use for anything that came out of there.
What the Poem means GFB is there are some Savages that cannot be helped, you can't bring them into compliance with you view of Civilization.
Re: Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:42 pm
by GFB
Red Oak wrote:GFB wrote:Red Oak wrote:You never read Kipling ?
Oh, I imagine some teacher some time made me..but I made it a point to block out everything I learned in school..never did find a use for anything that came out of there.
What the Poem means GFB is there are some Savages that cannot be helped, you can't bring them into compliance with you view of Civilization.
You needed a poem for that?
How about this poem..
"Scum is scum."
(GFB circa 6/2014)
Re: Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:45 pm
by GFB
Here's another GFB rule of life..
"Never seek to complicate that which is simple..
...and always seek to simplify that which is complicated."
Re: Iraq Pleads for Help!
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:46 pm
by Red Oak
I was trying to be high toned.
And Kipling was good, unlike some Quota Poets
