Gun control

[Sangersteve]

So Hillary says this:

How is it that we as a nation still allow guns to fall into the hands of people whose hearts are filled with hate?” said Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton Saturday, her voice rising as she delivered her prepared remarks. “You can’t watch massacre after massacre and not come to the conclusion that, as President Obama said, we must tackle this challenge with urgency and conviction.”

“We can have common-sense gun reforms that keep them out of the hands of criminals and the mentally unstable while not penalizing responsible gun owners,” Clinton said to sustained applause, as half of the 1,000 member San Francisco mayoral conference audience stood, reported USA Today.

Well Hillary what law would you add that would put an end to people with hearts filled with hate from getting a gun?

Would you reverse the decision your husband made to release the crazy people?

Would you test people for hate when they want to buy a gun?

Would you propose a law that outlaws crazy people?

Would you propose a law that non-crazy people have to be armed to protect others?

Will democrats and liberals ever catch on that the gun is not the problem? Let me answer that for you, no they won't. Liberals can not accept that evil exists and will not consider that a gun never just started firing without some human touching it.

[ralph]

they never stop , time to join GOA .NRA , JPFO or one of the others .

[millergrovesue]

Hillary - consummate politician. Tell 'em whatever lies work today.

[jellowrestling]

If we're going to do away with guns, I suggest we start with the Clintons' bodyguards.

[ralph]

agree , disarm ALL the Special people first . Disarm the civil servants , politicians , big shot money people , presidents bodyguards , course that'll never happen . Only ones to eventually be disarmed will be the American taxpayer . I give it 20 years till that disarming happens , just a guess !!

[GFB]

agree , disarm ALL the Special people first . Disarm the civil servants , politicians , big shot money people , presidents bodyguards , course that'll never happen . Only ones to eventually be disarmed will be the American taxpayer . I give it 20 years till that disarming happens , just a guess !!

How could that happen, Ralph?

I see no way for any President or any other politician or police force to pull that off..a guaranteed Civil war that stretched across the whole country.

Lots of dead people..hundreds of thousands, maybe millions..including a very large percentage of whatever entity was sent around to take the weapons.

[ralph]

guess that it depends what disarming means Greg , I already see California , new York and some other eastern states as being disarmed although people can own the guns or toys that those states allow . Those toys , guns are effective in home defense , hunting , target shooting but don't comply with my understanding of the PURPOSE of the second amendment . SO , maybe my use of the word 'disarmed' is too strong . Better word might be that guns will be so heavily restricted that people will only own guns that are NOT suitable for fulfilling the real purpose of the '2nd amendment' .

[ralph]

the American people should be able to own any small arm model , type that is the issued personal weapon of the American infantry man , soldier , no restriction or modification to make it suitable to civilians Greg as it should be exactly the same gun .

[ralph]

he11 , even 'karl rove' thinks like 'hil and the dems' , and you can bet that if 'karl' thinks it then so do the 'booshes' and other 'rino's' !! Course , you'll be able to keep your double barreled shotgun and maybe a 3 shot bolt action huntin rifle , maybe a .22 because hunting brings revenue to the state from gouging huntin license fees . Yep , Repeal the 2nd amendment ' and everything will be ok !! --- http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/21/karl- ... amendment/ ---

[mayhem]

Just 'let it slide' doesn't appear to be helpful. Not that I can tell anyhow.

The fight over the second amendment hasn't been helpful in the sense that
it has not changed minds or provided solutions.

Are there any first world nations with a problem as great as ours?

All we can do is say, "It is what it is" meaning there is no solution,
nothing to be tried, nothing new under the sun.

This whole country chock full of clever people can't figure something
out?

That is a level of hopelessness I am unwilling to buy.

I don't have major wisdom to share, but then it's not my job to solve
national problems. I am keeping my side of the street clean and I'm
keeping a safe home. I am, further, open to helpful suggestions.

[ralph]

for all my interest in guns and that's been for many years I have no hard numbers in my head as to how many deaths their are per year . I 'guess' have heard that gun deaths run about 30,000 a year out of a countrywide population of about 310 million of all sorts of people at the 2010 census . That doesn't count the 11 million or more illegal aliens that are in the USA . So , if I'm close to accurate about 30,000 gun deaths per year , how do those break down in categories . I immediately dismiss suicide as being not worth considering because a determined person will find some way other than guns to kill themselves . I also dismiss deaths by lawful and legal self defense . I also dismiss lawful cop shootings so what is the number of deaths that is left ??? Think I heard that its about 15,000 and that's mostly criminal shooting each other I guess . Any way , good discussion if a discussion gets going , everyone is invited !!! And in closing , well I hope no one ever dies of anything but if my numbers are close to correct I see no problem with guns in the USA .

[Mark]

How many laws did the South Carolina punk break? How would a couple more laws make any difference?

[GFB]

How many laws did the South Carolina punk break? How would a couple more laws make any difference?

More talk of gun control just makes more and more people buy more and more guns..which I believe is a good thing..

[mayhem]

How many laws did the South Carolina punk break? How would a couple more laws make any difference?

Not sure where you are going.

I'm counting on something a whole lot more creative than a couple of lame (additional) laws.

But I have little or no idea what that would be.

First thing to remember, I think, is that no one is brain scrambled enough to move towards
limiting law abiding citizens' gun ownership and there is CERTAINLY no one suicidal enough to suggest or
try to confiscate guns.

(That would make the inCivil War look like a dandy spring day in the park.)

[ralph]

don't think that these type killing can be stopped except to be armed so that an attacked person or place can respond with enough force to stop the attack . Guns in church and other gun free zones seem to be logical to me . I mean people have guns in their homes , cars and on their persons so why not church and schools . This crime , how can a person that uses street drug that mess up his thinking be stopped from murdering as I don't think that he had a record that was bad enough to keep him from buying guns ??

[BigTex]

In the aftermath of the race-motivated Charleston church shooting spree that left nine dead, a number of Republicans have allowed themselves to be placed on the defensive, even when they have no personal baggage related to the Confederate flag.

In Massachusetts, for instance, Republican Governor Charlie Baker has come under heavy fire from the Boston Globe after saying the issue was one for the people of South Carolina to decide on their own. Baker never said he supported the flag itself, but that was overlooked as the paper made its partisan attacks.

But look who does have something to answer for: the decidedly Democratic Bill Clinton, who as governor of Arkansas went a step further, signing a state flag bill specifying “a blue star above the word ‘ARKANSAS’ to commemorate the Confederate States of America”.


http://mediaequalizer.com/brian-maloney ... rate-cause

[ralph]

and the idea of scrambled brains , well scrambled brain politicians have been limiting gun buyers and gun ownership for years . See California and some of its cities plus New York state and some of its cities . See Washington DC , Maryland , Chicago and other eastern USA states and cities for examples of limiting gun ownership . California , the only magazines that are legal are 10 round or less magazine capacity and normal detachable magazines are legally unavailable . California compliant mean 10 round non detachable magazines for the AR15 . And detachable normal capacity mags over 10 rounds are illegal for all but police or other approved government agencies , I think . AR15 in California also has to be California compliant rather than a normal 49 state AR15 . Plus , Californians are limited to California Compliant guns rather than being able to buy anything that the manufacturer makes and that most Americans can buy . ------- Accuracy , I made my post thinking that I am accurate , if I made any mistakes please correct them as I only live in one area and there are all kindsa laws and some differ state to state . Course , I do read a lot but I could make a mistake .

[ralph]

if scrambled brain politicians will go after a historic flag that has lots of meaning to millions of Americans I figure that they'll go after guns and whittle down types of guns that are available to the American . Heck , how many months ago was it that mrobama tried to ban some popular and commonly used AR15 ammo to see the extent that politicians will go ?? ---- see B.T. post about politicians going after the flag and the politicians are 'rino , repub' politicians to boot !!

[GFB]

How many laws did the South Carolina punk break? How would a couple more laws make any difference?

Not sure where you are going.

I'm counting on something a whole lot more creative than a couple of lame (additional) laws.

But I have little or no idea what that would be.

First thing to remember, I think, is that no one is brain scrambled enough to move towards
limiting law abiding citizens' gun ownership and there is CERTAINLY no one suicidal enough to suggest or
try to confiscate guns.

(That would make the inCivil War look like a dandy spring day in the park.)

You want creative?

Let's give "anyone can carry..concealed or not with no permit" a shot.

[GFB]

Pardon the pun!