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so as to stop his killing and eating spree. --- http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ngle-prey/ --- so lets thank that American / Dentist , hunter that killed 'cecil' . Just another way to look at 'cecil' and the American hunter savior of many antelope lives .

Cecil probably killed and consumed roughly 70,000 pounds of meat during his life,

Wonder how that compares with the amount of meat I have consumed.

I note that no one has mentioned that it's the females who do most of the killing. So, if one was gonna do the grazing animal world a favor wouldn't they kill a female?

"I note that no one has mentioned that it's the females who do most of the killing."


Yeah, but they look kind of lame hanging on the wall.

Don't want no dead animals staring at me from a wall or anywhere else. Creepy.

answer to Sue in 'anthromorphistic' language style . --- Anyway , the lady or 'mom' lion is just doing her job in the jungle Sue . She hunts and feeds the Big male / daddy lion so that he doesn't eat the kids or lion cubs and her if he gets hungry !! So , its a case of practical self preservation Sue . -------- thanks to the great white hunter / dentist from Minnesota the lioness is now free to find another 'nicer' male lion to feed and have kids/lion cubs with Sue .

millergrovesue wrote:Don't want no dead animals staring at me from a wall or anywhere else. Creepy.

That was supposed to get all the chicks riled up.

I think I failed miserably.

millergrovesue wrote:

Cecil probably killed and consumed roughly 70,000 pounds of meat during his life,

Wonder how that compares with the amount of meat I have consumed.

I note that no one has mentioned that it's the females who do most of the killing. So, if one was gonna do the grazing animal world a favor wouldn't they kill a female?

Using that logic, Hitler wasn't responsible for killing anyone, and removing him shouldn't have made any difference in the number of Gypsies who were exterminated.

jellowrestling wrote:Using that logic, Hitler wasn't responsible for killing anyone, and removing him shouldn't have made any difference in the number of Gypsies who were exterminated.

You're kidding, right? How did you get from lions to Hitler????? Serious streeeeeeeeeeeeeettcccchhhhhh

millergrovesue wrote:

jellowrestling wrote:Using that logic, Hitler wasn't responsible for killing anyone, and removing him shouldn't have made any difference in the number of Gypsies who were exterminated.

You're kidding, right? How did you get from lions to Hitler????? Serious streeeeeeeeeeeeeettcccchhhhhh

Actually, there is more than one reason to mention Hitler along with this story.
Hitler was an animal lover.
Hitler's Germany was the first country on earth to have animal cruelty laws.
People close to Hitler said the only time he ever cried was when he heard of an animal being mistreated.
If he was around, Hitler would be chewing the carpet over Cecil.

good info , thanks Billb !!

ralph wrote:so as to stop his killing and eating spree. --- http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ngle-prey/ --- so lets thank that American / Dentist , hunter that killed 'cecil' . Just another way to look at 'cecil' and the American hunter savior of many antelope lives .

I think you miss the point.

There are lots and lots of antelope, zebra and, for a different example, chickens.
They have to be numerous because, to some degree, that are supposed to become lion
(and whatever else) food. It presumably take a lot of antelope . But not all of
them or we'd have a much different problem.

It's not shocking or sad that they do.

What ... are they supposed to retire and sit on the porch with pics of their
grandchildren? Nobody dreamed of protecting the antelope, zebra or backyard chicken.


In the antelope's case: he was made, at least in part, to be a lion's dinner. But when crazymaker hunters
go of the reservation and kill the top of the food chain, it frustrates the natural order of things and
the whole evolutionary plan is kicked a little off kilter. The best and the brightest are there to live
long and prosper while the jackals, old age, disease, etc. kills off the old, weak and sick.

I understand you are making a little jest, but the fact is -- lions gotta live so antelope gotta die.

It's purty important that Cecil and all his friends get as much antelope as they need. And then,
by extension and paradoxically we need a certain amount of girl (we can get into that later)
lions to prepare 'lunch' for the pride.

Leave up to evolution to even the score. At least that's the way the plan has always been.

Zimbabwe, with astonishingly few lions, has a difficult time balancing the disorder of the system.

also lots of lions , enough lions that a lion hunt can be BOUGHT for the right amount of money . Mugabe and his 'cohorts' in his 'gov' happily accepts money for hunters to hunt and kill his lions . Same story as regards the rarest of the rare black rhino and the more mundane Zebra or Giraffe as far as I know 'mayhem' .

so , here you go 'Mayhem' , its a large menu of hunts if you can afford any of them . --- http://www.huntinginzimbabwe.com/ ---

and a bit more info for you Mayhem . --- http://www.safaribwana.com/HUNT/lion09.htm --- And , from my point of view , hey shutdown the lion hunting but if done the 'ban' would only harm these starving countries with a loss of tourism . .

ralph wrote:also lots of lions , enough lions that a lion hunt can be BOUGHT for the right amount of money . Mugabe and his 'cohorts' in his 'gov' happily accepts money for hunters to hunt and kill his lions . Same story as regards the rarest of the rare black rhino and the more mundane Zebra or Giraffe as far as I know 'mayhem' .

I cannot make heads or tails out of the save that you disagree with me at some point. Could you maybe make it a little more plain?

ralph wrote:and a bit more info for you Mayhem . --- http://www.safaribwana.com/HUNT/lion09.htm --- And , from my point of view , hey shutdown the lion hunting but if done the 'ban' would only harm these starving countries with a loss of tourism . .

It ain't helpin' them much as it is. That's really the point in the Cecil story.

Where does one assholes' right to shoot a lion trump another assholes right to take a picture of a living, breathing, majestic animal?

And the whole safari and related ventures are in great disarray because nobody with authority can enforce much about any of this rotten, stinking stuff.

Since American hunters seem to be de facto in charge of legal hunting and poaching, it's way, way past time for us to go in and politely take some humble leadership of the whole thing. Can we be humble?

(Yea, I already know some wit is going to say that's what's going on now, has gone on, or will some time before the last lion dies, but it doesn't change anything. To that I say open the damn doors and let's kill 'em all. Then we can study about what comes next. Kinda like climate change ... burn the whole ecology down bec the Chinese and the Indians are gonna do it anyhow. Let's get the interim period out of the way, then, if we don't all die, we might figure some way to live with sunburns and nothing green.

And how to tred water.

ATDoW at yer serice.

Where does one assholes' right to shoot a lion trump another assholes right to take a picture of a living, breathing, majestic animal?

Great question.

So, you actually thought you had a RIGHT to photograph this lion?

The lion thought you had a right to be lunch.

GFB wrote:So, you actually thought you had a RIGHT to photograph this lion?

The lion thought you had a right to be lunch.

Well, that's the way it goes. Always wanted my demise to be
both colorful and meaningful.