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Texas First execution 0f 2016 is behind us.

Yes, some of us are still not totally behind it.
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas ... 772973.php

Fifteen years ago this would have been front page news and they would have been demonstrating in Huntsville, covered by TV news stations.

What happened?

I'm for it and I'm glad he's gone. That guy was a freakishly evil person. But then again many of them on death row would fit that description.

Ric, what cases are you for it if any? I'm for it in the case of the boy in Irving who beat up that 85 year old woman in Irving who was just walking along minding her own business. And I would have been for it if that little 3 year old kid in the story that was posted today had died. There's a part of me that wants to see him given capital punishment even though the kid didn't die. Someone who subjects a kid to that doesn't deserve to live.

Yeah, he'll probably get it in prison when someone finds out what he did....

crocmommy wrote:Ric, what cases are you for it if any? I'm for it in the case of the boy in Irving who beat up that 85 year old woman in Irving who was just walking along minding her own business. And I would have been for it if that little 3 year old kid in the story that was posted today had died. There's a part of me that wants to see him given capital punishment even though the kid didn't die. Someone who subjects a kid to that doesn't deserve to live.

Yeah, he'll probably get it in prison when someone finds out what he did....

Good question.
My granddad taught me many decades ago that "there are some folks that just need a good killing". Ric disagrees with this, and I love him like a brother, but on this one we disagree.

BigTex wrote:Fifteen years ago this would have been front page news and they would have been demonstrating in Huntsville, covered by TV news stations.

What happened?

Well, it WAS front page news in the Chronicle. And there were peaceful protesters outside the gates in Huntsville. What makes you think there weren't?

crocmommy wrote:Ric, what cases are you for it if any? I'm for it in the case of the boy in Irving who beat up that 85 year old woman in Irving who was just walking along minding her own business. And I would have been for it if that little 3 year old kid in the story that was posted today had died. There's a part of me that wants to see him given capital punishment even though the kid didn't die. Someone who subjects a kid to that doesn't deserve to live.

Yeah, he'll probably get it in prison when someone finds out what he did....

I'm not sure I have enough conviction to answer that convincingly. Even with this scum, it kinda hurts my stomach that we do what we do... I can't explain why I feel the way I do about it.. and there ARE cases where I am VERY conflicted..

Good question.
My granddad taught me many decades ago that "there are some folks that just need a good killing". Ric disagrees with this, and I love him like a brother, but on this one we disagree.[/quote]

My Daddy used to say the very same thing. I loved him, but I always thought he was wrong about that.As much as I loved him, and he had a lot of love in his heart, he was also a bigot. So, a lot of his pearls of wisdom fell on deaf ears.. and he knew that. Didn't make me love him less. Lots of things he tried to teach me just didn't take, that's all.

I really believe the if you shoot a cop or a public official you should get the death penalty. Those that risk their lives to keep us safe are in a special category in my mind. We can't end up like Mexico or some other countries where they fear for the lives.

Ric wrote:

BigTex wrote:Fifteen years ago this would have been front page news and they would have been demonstrating in Huntsville, covered by TV news stations.

What happened?

Well, it WAS front page news in the Chronicle. And there were peaceful protesters outside the gates in Huntsville. What makes you think there weren't?

Well, the Houston Chronicle doesn't count because it's basically the Huntsville newspaper.

Fifteen years ago I would have known about the protesters because it would have been reported by Dallas Morning News, Washington Post, New York Times, video of the demonstrators leading the 10:00 news in Dallas, video of the demonstrators on CNN, ABC News, CBS News, NBC News. Did that happen?

Well, the Houston Chronicle doesn't count because it's basically the Huntsville newspaper.

Fifteen years ago I would have known about the protesters because it would have been reported by Dallas Morning News, Washington Post, New York Times, video of the demonstrators leading the 10:00 news in Dallas, video of the demonstrators on CNN, ABC News, CBS News, NBC News. Did that happen?[/quote]

Nope... and that's too bad.. too bad that everyone just accepts this as a part of what we do. No, sadly, it didn't happen like it used to.

Ric wrote:Well, the Houston Chronicle doesn't count because it's basically the Huntsville newspaper.

Fifteen years ago I would have known about the protesters because it would have been reported by Dallas Morning News, Washington Post, New York Times, video of the demonstrators leading the 10:00 news in Dallas, video of the demonstrators on CNN, ABC News, CBS News, NBC News. Did that happen?

Nope... and that's too bad.. too bad that everyone just accepts this as a part of what we do. No, sadly, it didn't happen like it used to.[/quote]

Why do you think that is?

well. I think it got a lot of play nationally, because we in Texas were killing so many of them each month that it was reported on both sides of the issue much more than it is now.
And those that oppose it tire of talking to brick walls, and people who ridicule them for feeling differently than the majority.
Lots of reasons.

Hell isn't half full......plenty more room.

Ric wrote:well. I think it got a lot of play nationally, because we in Texas were killing so many of them each month that it was reported on both sides of the issue much more than it is now.
And those that oppose it tire of talking to brick walls, and people who ridicule them for feeling differently than the majority.
Lots of reasons.

Or it might have had something to do good liberals wanting to keep a Republican governor from Texas getting elected president. Those people didn't give a shit about the condemned.

BigTex wrote:

Ric wrote:well. I think it got a lot of play nationally, because we in Texas were killing so many of them each month that it was reported on both sides of the issue much more than it is now.
And those that oppose it tire of talking to brick walls, and people who ridicule them for feeling differently than the majority.
Lots of reasons.

Or it might have had something to do good liberals wanting to keep a Republican governor from Texas getting elected president. Those people didn't give a shit about the condemned.

Of course, ot all opponents of the death penalty are liberals. The same way that all Pro Lifers arent Conservatives that want to bomb abortion clinics. There ARE some people that have convictions that cross political boundaries, for what its worth.

crocmommy wrote:I really believe the if you shoot a cop or a public official you should get the death penalty. Those that risk their lives to keep us safe are in a special category in my mind. We can't end up like Mexico or some other countries where they fear for the lives.

I don't have any argument with that, but I happen to believe it is worse when a civilian is killed than when a cop is killed.

Since the cops are paid to put their lives at risk, it is a better thing if they lose their lives instead of those they are paid to protect.

crocmommy wrote:I really believe the if you shoot a cop or a public official you should get the death penalty. Those that risk their lives to keep us safe are in a special category in my mind. We can't end up like Mexico or some other countries where they fear for the lives.

Like I said earlier, there are real situations that cause me personal conflict. Especially the cop part. As an ex cop, with many friends still involved.. it became a personal issue.

GFB wrote:

crocmommy wrote:I really believe the if you shoot a cop or a public official you should get the death penalty. Those that risk their lives to keep us safe are in a special category in my mind. We can't end up like Mexico or some other countries where they fear for the lives.

I don't have any argument with that, but I happen to believe it is worse when a civilian is killed than when a cop is killed.

Since the cops are paid to put their lives at risk, it is a better thing if they lose their lives instead of those they are paid to protect.

There is a dark sadness that envelopes an entire group of people.. those that are paid (and not very well) for putting their lives on the line, whenever one of their Brothers or Sisters is senselessly gunned down. An incredible, personal sadness. One that many can not.. or maybe will not understand.
that said, I can't even begin to agree with you about that.

Ric wrote:

GFB wrote:

crocmommy wrote:I really believe the if you shoot a cop or a public official you should get the death penalty. Those that risk their lives to keep us safe are in a special category in my mind. We can't end up like Mexico or some other countries where they fear for the lives.

I don't have any argument with that, but I happen to believe it is worse when a civilian is killed than when a cop is killed.

Since the cops are paid to put their lives at risk, it is a better thing if they lose their lives instead of those they are paid to protect.

There is a dark sadness that envelopes an entire group of people.. those that are paid (and not very well) for putting their lives on the line, whenever one of their Brothers or Sisters is senselessly gunned down. An incredible, personal sadness. One that many can not.. or maybe will not understand.
that said, I can't even begin to agree with you about that.

There's a dark sadness because the police make such a huge deal about one cop dying.

I just think the cops should be more sad, and the world should be more sad, when a civilian life is lost in the same event.

THAT'S what's never supposed to happen.