A Day That Will Live in Infamy

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A Day That Will Live in Infamy

Postby planosteve » Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:30 am

But, probably not for the reason we have been told.

Robert B. Stinnett, Day of Deceit: The Truth about FDR and Pearl Harbor (New York, Free Press, 2000)

Stinnett conclusively demonstrates with vast and incontrovertible documentary evidence that in order to precipitate an unwilling American public into supporting intervention in the Second World War, President Roosevelt oversaw the contrivance and deployment of a closely-guarded secret plot to goad the Japanese into attacking Pearl Harbor. The plan was set in motion in October 1940, and its development closely monitored through decoded intercepts of Japanese diplomatic and military radio communications. Knowledge of the plan was limited to 13 Roosevelt administration members and chief military officers, and 21 members of Naval Intelligence and related operations. Once it produced the intended result and the attack impended, the Pacific fleet’s modern naval vessels were sent to sea from Pearl Harbor, leaving seven antiquated World War One battleships as decoys. Meanwhile, the Japanese fleet was tracked with radio intercepts from its formation off the Kuril Islands on November 16, and its sailing for Hawaii on November 26; its course was cleared of all shipping with a Vacant Sea order on the 22nd; and Pearl Harbor naval patrols were ordered out of the area on the 25th. Intelligence of the impending attack was withheld from the officers (Admiral Kimmel and General Short) charged with defending Pearl Harbor, who were kept uninformed of the plan and intelligence of the impending attack, and scape-goated afterward. A coverup of the entire operation was maintained through eight official and Congressional investigations between 1941 and 1946, and down to Strom Thurmond’s inquiry in 1995. Stinnett’s forty-seven pages of Appendices (p. 261-308) present photographic reproductions of essential documents obtained from Federal archives through the Freedom of Information Act, as well as numerous other documents reproduced in the body of the text, and 65 pages (p. 309-374) of closely detailed and referenced notes, all of which copiously and conclusively document Stinnett’s factual assertions, arguments and conclusions. His voluminous research files and notes are deposited at the Hoover Institute library at Stanford.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/12/ ... more-63816
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Re: A Day That Will Live in Infamy

Postby John in Plano » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:30 am

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Re: A Day That Will Live in Infamy

Postby Red Oak » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:41 am

Stinnet was on to something, he may have taken his conclusions farther than the evidence indicated, but FDR and his Cabinet did leave bait for the Japanese to attack.

And intelligence about Jap military activities were definitely not provided to Kimmel and Short.
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Re: A Day That Will Live in Infamy

Postby grouchy » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:19 am

Red Oak wrote:Stinnet was on to something, he may have taken his conclusions farther than the evidence indicated, but FDR and his Cabinet did leave bait for the Japanese to attack.

And intelligence about Jap military activities were definitely not provided to Kimmel and Short.

Agreed.

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Re: A Day That Will Live in Infamy

Postby planosteve » Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:20 pm

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Re: A Day That Will Live in Infamy

Postby John In Austin » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:26 pm

Did we miss some things? Of course we did but I seriously doubt military people would allow themselves to have the Pacific fleet be obliterated. We suffered greatly because it put us behind getting geared up for the war. Thank God we entered that war or we probably wouldn't be here today. Hitler and Hirohito were threats to the world that needed to be stopped.
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Re: A Day That Will Live in Infamy

Postby planosteve » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:47 pm

John In Austin wrote:Did we miss some things? Of course we did but I seriously doubt military people would allow themselves to have the Pacific fleet be obliterated. We suffered greatly because it put us behind getting geared up for the war. Thank God we entered that war or we probably wouldn't be here today. Hitler and Hirohito were threats to the world that needed to be stopped.
So, you buy the official story, that they did send a warning message, but that it was "misinterpreted"? Just another FUBAR?
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Re: A Day That Will Live in Infamy

Postby John In Austin » Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:37 pm

Losing World War II would be the biggest FUBAR in world history. I am so happy I am not a paranoid lunatic believing that life is only governed by conspiracies.
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Re: A Day That Will Live in Infamy

Postby Mark » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:00 pm

PS sees a conspiracy hiding behind every tree.
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Re: A Day That Will Live in Infamy

Postby Bob Of Burleson » Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:16 pm

Pfft...

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Re: A Day That Will Live in Infamy

Postby planosteve » Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:26 pm

John In Austin wrote:Losing World War II would be the biggest FUBAR in world history. I am so happy I am not a paranoid lunatic believing that life is only governed by conspiracies.
Wilson lied us into WWI. LBJ lied us into Viet Nam. Bush lied us into Iraq, but I guess it's inconceivable that FDR lied us into WWII.
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Re: A Day That Will Live in Infamy

Postby planosteve » Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:49 pm

Did somebody let a cat in here? ;)
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