JUAN mccain trying to hurt TED CRUZ

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Re: JUAN mccain trying to hurt TED CRUZ

Postby Red Oak » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:14 am

Cruz scares the "Independents"; those with no firm political ideology, who swing back and forth between Progressivism and Centrism based upon hair style, or likeability or some other intangible.
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Re: JUAN mccain trying to hurt TED CRUZ

Postby GFB » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:22 am

planosteve wrote:
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If he's too right wing for you, then you're not very conservative.

Mark, I've been a conservative for at least 30 years now and I don't know another conservative that I have any regard for that supports Ted.
Certainly, none of the small L libertarians do. And I don't think the Cato Institute, Koch Bros crowd does either. Or the Libertarian Pary. So,
who supports him?


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Postby planosteve » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:26 am

GFB wrote:
planosteve wrote:
Mark wrote:
If he's too right wing for you, then you're not very conservative.

Mark, I've been a conservative for at least 30 years now and I don't know another conservative that I have any regard for that supports Ted.
Certainly, none of the small L libertarians do. And I don't think the Cato Institute, Koch Bros crowd does either. Or the Libertarian Pary. So,
who supports him?


Never noticed anything Conservative about you.

Then you must think that Ron Paul is not a conservative either.
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Postby planosteve » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:26 am

GFB wrote:
planosteve wrote:
Mark wrote:
If he's too right wing for you, then you're not very conservative.

Mark, I've been a conservative for at least 30 years now and I don't know another conservative that I have any regard for that supports Ted.
Certainly, none of the small L libertarians do. And I don't think the Cato Institute, Koch Bros crowd does either. Or the Libertarian Pary. So,
who supports him?


Never noticed anything Conservative about you.

Then you must think that Ron Paul is not a conservative either.
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Postby Red Oak » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:32 am

Ron Paul is a libertarian/ conservative Nut Job.

His heart is in the right place; but his brain is wonky.
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Postby millergrovesue » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:50 am

Red Oak wrote:Cruz scares the "Independents"; those with no firm political ideology, who swing back and forth between Progressivism and Centrism based upon hair style, or likeability or some other intangible.


None of them "scare" me. Now if they were holding a knife to my throat................. Don't you think it's rigid and narrow sighted to state that those who don't share all of Cruz's beliefs have no firm political ideology? Sounds like the kind of rhetoric I hear from the far left.
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Postby GFB » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:57 am

planosteve wrote:
GFB wrote:Never noticed anything Conservative about you.

Then you must think that Ron Paul is not a conservative either.


I do not consider him a Conservative.

Loons could never be Conservatives.
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Re: JUAN mccain trying to hurt TED CRUZ

Postby Red Oak » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:12 am

"None of them "scare" me. Now if they were holding a knife to my throat................. Don't you think it's rigid and narrow sighted to state that those who don't share all of Cruz's beliefs have no firm political ideology? Sounds like the kind of rhetoric I hear from the far left."

So you are an "independent" ?

I don't agree with all of Cruz's beliefs, but I Damn sure believe with his core principles.


It is rigid and clear sighted to state that "Independents" are wishy washy and without firm political ideology.

For example in the 2000 Election Dubya carried the "Independent" vote, in 2004 Kerry carried them. In 2008 Obama received the majority of the "Independent"; and in 2012 Romney received the "independent".

In recent years they have swung back and forth in Presidential Elections based upon what ? Likability ? Eye Color ? Race ? I don't know exactly what factors are involved, only that "independent" set of political principals are very malleable to have swung as far as mentioned earlier.
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Postby Red Oak » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:14 am

Oh and one other thing, Cruz is not popular with "independents" because he is on the Right politically and so far has not shown any desire to play to the center. That is why he scares "independents".
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Postby planosteve » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:29 am

I don't think anyone knows what Rafael's core principles are any more than they knew what Obama's were 7 years ago. All they knew is what they were told because there was virtually no record to judge them on.
How many silver-tounged, Ivy League, Bull Shit artists does it take? We've already had two of them in a row in the White House. I think Ted's core principles are about as phony as his name. His core principle is Hey, Look At Me.
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Postby millergrovesue » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:33 am

So you are an "independent" ?

When it comes to voting I'm not going to pull the lever for an all Republican ticket because I'm a "By God Conservative!!!" I vote for the candidate and not the party. If that makes me an independent or a libertarian than I'll wear the badge proudly. I do know what I believe and am not swayed by hair or smiles or BS rhetoric.
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Postby Red Oak » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:36 am

Anyone who did not know what Obama's core principles were 8 years ago are complete morons, liars, or were too lazy to put 30 minutes of effort into looking at his history, actions, books, associates, mentors, or political record.

If you have any substantive evidence that Cruz is a squish, please tell us where we can find it.
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Postby Red Oak » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:42 am

"When it comes to voting I'm not going to pull the lever for an all Republican ticket because I'm a "By God Conservative!!!" I vote for the candidate and not the party. If that makes me an independent or a libertarian than I'll wear the badge proudly. I do know what I believe and am not swayed by hair or smiles or BS rhetoric."

I voted for the candidate also, the one that is the most electable "By God Conservative". Which is generally a Republican in the major races. I am a Hard Right Conservative and not ashamed to admit it.

Independents as a group seem to stick their finger in the wind and go with the trend of the day, or something.
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Re: JUAN mccain trying to hurt TED CRUZ

Postby planosteve » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:10 am

Red Oak wrote:Anyone who did not know what Obama's core principles were 8 years ago are complete morons, liars, or were too lazy to put 30 minutes of effort into looking at his history, actions, books, associates, mentors, or political record.

If you have any substantive evidence that Cruz is a squish, please tell us where we can find it.
I knew he was a BS artist the first time I heard him speak when he was debating the Democrat he ran against. As far as a squish, the Deep State is not going to allow anyone within sniffing distance of the WH if they are not.
And that's why the next president will be Jeb Bush.
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Postby Red Oak » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:17 am

So you have nothing ?

If Jeb gets it, it will be the "independents" that vote him in.
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Re: JUAN mccain trying to hurt TED CRUZ

Postby GFB » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:19 am

We don't have to wonder who Ted Cruz is.

We've watched it for a while now.

No voting "present" like our traitor in chief
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Postby Red Oak » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:30 am

In my opinion there are a few other things that really hurt Cruz with the "independents":

1) He is not particularly attractive.

2) He has a whiney voice.

3) He has a sort of smirky quality to him.
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Re: JUAN mccain trying to hurt TED CRUZ

Postby millergrovesue » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:31 am

Red Oak, are you by chance an engineer?
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Postby Red Oak » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:42 am

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Re: JUAN mccain trying to hurt TED CRUZ

Postby planosteve » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:58 am

Red Oak wrote:So you have nothing ?

If Jeb gets it, it will be the "independents" that vote him in.

Deep State and AIPAC will buy him all the votes he needs and more.
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