Hospitals are going to go broke?

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Hospitals are going to go broke?

Postby Sangersteve » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:56 am

I don't think so.

The nation’s hospital industry warned President-elect Donald Trump and congressional leaders on Tuesday that repealing the Affordable Care Act could cost hospitals $165 billion by the middle of the next decade and trigger “an unprecedented public health crisis.”

The two main trade groups for U.S. hospitals dispatched a letter to the incoming president and Capitol Hill’s top four leaders, saying that the government should help hospitals avoid massive financial losses if the law is rescinded in a way that causes a surge of uninsured patients.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... c4e78af0ab

Big Tex if I completely read this wrong please correct me.

On the costs charged by hospitals.

Many years back I had to have an umbilical hernia fixed. The doc after learning I was uninsured at the time,said I'll fix you up for $125.00, now go pay for the operating room.

We sat down with the admitting lady, per the doctors orders for service, she said it would be $10,000 for the operating room. Who is your insurer? Told her we were self pay and she immediately changed the price to $5000.00, and we agreed to it. Upon reflection probably could have gotten it down from there.



As an aside an old DD member called me a liar and said it was against the law for a hospital to negotiate a price.

Fast forward to last year about this time. Since I now an old fossil and am on medicare I'm insured.Sciatica flare up put me down to the point all I could do was lie down. The doc ordered an MRI to pinpoint were to stick the needle in, and sends me to the hospital for the scan.Medicare ponied up the entire cost.

Now four weeks ago major pain in my shoulder and arm, same doc orders an x-ray, takes a look at it and says the arthritis in my neck is the issue and an MRI is needed. I asked him if there was an alternative to the $7000.00 hospital test and I was sent to a stand alone testing place. The charge there was $500.00.

Now I mention all of this because it's no secret that hospitals negotiate prices with insurers and the .gov through medicare medicaid, etc.

I'm a pretty simple guy and to my simple mind the hospital is ripping off payers to insure a profit to pay for non-insured patients. OK I'm not against profit I am against being held up.

My operating room bill, if billed through an insurance plan would have covered two operating rooms, and probably more if my cost analysis is correct.

The MRI at seven grand would have paid for 14.

My point is that my belief is that hospitals are over billing enough and that some real cost analysis needs to be done in order for everyone to be able to make a profit and government cost can be brought down in order to provide care for those who truly need assistance. Last time I checked an aspirin purchased from a hospital cost enough to buy 1000 from a wholesaler.
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Re: Hospitals are going to go broke?

Postby grouchy » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:20 am

Very accurate summary.

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Re: Hospitals are going to go broke?

Postby BigTex » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:39 am

You're asking me to explain hospital billing?

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Re: Hospitals are going to go broke?

Postby planosteve » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:18 am

BigTex wrote:You're asking me to explain hospital billing?

I got a few to ask too. :D
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Re: Hospitals are going to go broke?

Postby LibraryLady2 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:18 pm

Every time I get an insurance payment recap, it reinforces my idea that it is a shell game. As Steve mentioned, the prices are negotiated and the hospital go down in price.

In a bit of total idiocy, my sister is now "exchanging words" with a hospital in FW.
Her husband was transferred from Decatur hospital to FW, he was in critical condition at the time. ER told her not to stop and fill out papers, they would get the info from the Decatur hospital. He died.........7 days later, sister got a phone call, "I am in collections from xx hospital. I need you to bring in a list of his assets so we can see what program he qualifies for on this bill." Sister ripped into person, "How can this be in collection when I have seen no bill? What is the amount owed? Why are you not billing his insurance company?" Short version of story: Hospital says they won't bill until she brings list. She won't bring list. She won't pay a dime until they bill insurance. For unknown reason, hospital is not billing insurance. She had someone from BCBS call hospital and they say they are still figuring the bill. I don't believe that in 2.5 months the bill has not been figured. BCBS is not worried--if hospital does not bill within 6 months, the insurance company does not have to pay. (anyone aware of THAT rule? It is timely billing rule.)

I can't figure out why hospital won't bill the insurance company. They are getting ready to eat a big bill...
Meanwhile, Decatur hospital has billed and been paid.
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