Why is Israel committing suicide?

[planosteve]

Just in case you missed this.

By the way what is the current death toll of Israelis from rockets fired from Gaza? Is it 0 or 1?

Your question implies that rockets have in fact been fired from Gaza. Is that correct?

Yes, but we really don't know who fired them. I addressed that question in an earlier thread.

[Twiggler]

Why don't the Palestinians rise up against Hamas ?

[Sangersteve]

So you're sticking with the explanation that Mossad randomly sneaks into Gaza to fire rockets, and hamas is too stupid to catch them.

[planosteve]

So you're sticking with the explanation that Mossad randomly sneaks into Gaza to fire rockets, and hamas is too stupid to catch them.

Or they are always there. But, Mossad is very good at what they do.

[planosteve]

Why don't the Palestinians rise up against Hamas ?

Good question. And another is who's side is Hamas really on?

[BigTex]

[/quote]

Your question implies that rockets have in fact been fired from Gaza. Is that correct?[/quote][/quote]Yes, but we really don't know who fired them.[/quote]

Therefore it is possible that the rockets were fired by Hamas. Is that correct?

[GFB]

Steve, do you know of a time Hamas has ever done anything as an organization that you or I would consider morally wrong, or that would be considered a war crime?

[planosteve]

Your question implies that rockets have in fact been fired from Gaza. Is that correct?[/quote][/quote]Yes, but we really don't know who fired them.[/quote]

Therefore it is possible that the rockets were fired by Hamas. Is that correct?[/quote]
Yes. But, ask yourself this. In whose interest is it to keep the citizens of Israel all jacked up and in a constant state of agitation so that they run for a shelter whenever a siren blows. Even though there is virtually no chance that they are going to be killed or wounded? Hamas or the Likkud party?

[planosteve]

Steve, do you know of a time Hamas has ever done anything as an organization that you or I would consider morally wrong, or that would be considered a war crime?

No, but then I'm not an expert on Hamas. I read the US helped to create it.

[BigTex]

Your question implies that rockets have in fact been fired from Gaza. Is that correct?

[/quote]Yes, but we really don't know who fired them.[/quote]

Therefore it is possible that the rockets were fired by Hamas. Is that correct?[/quote]
Yes. But, ask yourself this. In whose interest is it to keep the citizens of Israel all jacked up and in a constant state of agitation so that they run for a shelter whenever a siren blows. Even though there is virtually no chance that they are going to be killed or wounded? Hamas or the Likkud party?[/quote]

I think after 2000 years Israel wants to be left alone. I didn't read that anywhere - that's what I believe. No youtube video, no list of Middle Eastern scholars.

What do you believe, Steve?

[planosteve]

What do you believe, Steve?

I tend to side with the non Zionist Jewish people instead of the zeolots. Like this guy who is a Jew and who's father was a general in the Israeli military.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etXAm-OylQQ

[BigTex]

Youtube . . .

[planosteve]

Youtube . . .

If that one was too rough for you try this one. It's animated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y58njT2oXfE

[BigTex]

youtube . . .

[planosteve]

youtube . . .

So, your point is if it's on youtube, it couldn't possibly be taken seriously?

[BigTex]

My point is that I don't need youtube to articulate my beliefs, and I don't use it to insinuate that people aren't smart enough to understand what it means.

[BigTex]

My point is that I don't need youtube to articulate my beliefs, and I don't use it to insinuate that people aren't smart enough to understand what it means.

Talk for yourself.

[planosteve]

My point is that I don't need youtube to articulate my beliefs, and I don't use it to insinuate that people aren't smart enough to understand what it means.

Talk for yourself.

I try to use it to give opinions that are accurate by creditable people who you don't hear on Fox News or the Limbaugh show. And they are usually more articulate than I am.

[BigTex]

The problem is that we end up talking about the authenticity of your source more than the actual issue. Have you noticed how often you say "did you look at the video?" or "did you read the link"? It derails the discussion, IMO. There's no reason to believe that your source is any more reliable than Fox News or Rush Limbaugh just because you say it is.

[planosteve]

The problem is that we end up talking about the authenticity of your source more than the actual issue. Have you noticed how often you say "did you look at the video?" or "did you read the link"? It derails the discussion, IMO. There's no reason to believe that your source is any more reliable than Fox News or Rush Limbaugh just because you say it is.

Well, we all have o decide that for ourselves. But, there is a very distinct tendency on talk radio to completely ignore contrary points of view and to shout them down when one slips in. Wouldn't you agree?