Ferguson

[GFB]

The "shoplifter" was caught.

When shoplifters are caught, they drop the item and run...they don't turn around and pick up the store owner by the shirt collar..then bully him back behind the counter.

That's strong arm robbery and battery, with threats of further bodily harm..can't tell you how glad I am that he's dead..regardless what happened between him and the cop.

[planosteve]

The "shoplifter" was caught.

When shoplifters are caught, they drop the item and run...they don't turn around and pick up the store owner by the shirt collar..then bully him back behind the counter.

That's strong arm robbery and battery, with threats of further bodily harm..can't tell you how glad I am that he's dead..regardless what happened between him and the cop.

Well, most of that your imagining, it wasn't in the video. What he did was reach behind the counter, take the cigars and walk toward the door. That's shoplifting. The shopkeeper stood in the door and he shoved him out of the way. That's not a crime. Just because the youtube was called strong armed robbery doesn't make it so.

[GFB]

The "shoplifter" was caught.

When shoplifters are caught, they drop the item and run...they don't turn around and pick up the store owner by the shirt collar..then bully him back behind the counter.

That's strong arm robbery and battery, with threats of further bodily harm..can't tell you how glad I am that he's dead..regardless what happened between him and the cop.

Well, most of that your imagining, it wasn't in the video. What he did was reach behind the counter, take the cigars and walk toward the door. That's shoplifting. The shopkeeper stood in the door and he shoved him out of the way. That's not a crime. Just because the youtube was called strong armed robbery doesn't make it so.

Whether it's criminals or Israel and Hamas..ever feel like you just automatically side with whoever is the scummiest person or people involved?

[planosteve]

The "shoplifter" was caught.

When shoplifters are caught, they drop the item and run...they don't turn around and pick up the store owner by the shirt collar..then bully him back behind the counter.

That's strong arm robbery and battery, with threats of further bodily harm..can't tell you how glad I am that he's dead..regardless what happened between him and the cop.

Well, most of that your imagining, it wasn't in the video. What he did was reach behind the counter, take the cigars and walk toward the door. That's shoplifting. The shopkeeper stood in the door and he shoved him out of the way. That's not a crime. Just because the youtube was called strong armed robbery doesn't make it so.

Whether it's criminals or Israel and Hamas..ever feel like you just automatically side with whoever is the scummiest person or people involved?

No. But, I'm not suprised that you would think that.

[Sangersteve]

Well, most of that your imagining, it wasn't in the video. What he did was reach behind the counter, take the cigars and walk toward the door. That's shoplifting. The shopkeeper stood in the door and he shoved him out of the way. That's not a crime. Just because the youtube was called strong armed robbery doesn't make it so.

Now you're just making no sense, where I live if you put your hands on someone it is at minimum assault, when you put your hands on someone in the commission of a crime of theft it becomes robbery.

Not only did he put his hands on the clerk, it was not a shove, he grabbed him by the shirt.

[BigTex]

Do we know for sure that he didn't mistake the box of cigars for a bag of Skittles that he brought into the store?

[planosteve]

Well, most of that your imagining, it wasn't in the video. What he did was reach behind the counter, take the cigars and walk toward the door. That's shoplifting. The shopkeeper stood in the door and he shoved him out of the way. That's not a crime. Just because the youtube was called strong armed robbery doesn't make it so.

Now you're just making no sense, where I live if you put your hands on someone it is at minimum assault, when you put your hands on someone in the commission of a crime of theft it becomes robbery.

Not only did he put his hands on the clerk, it was not a shove, he grabbed him by the shirt.

I didn't see him grab his shirt. I saw his hand shove the clerk away by his neck. At any rate I seriously doubt a jury would call
that a "strong armed robbery".

[Red Oak]

The "shoplifter" was caught.

When shoplifters are caught, they drop the item and run...they don't turn around and pick up the store owner by the shirt collar..then bully him back behind the counter.

That's strong arm robbery and battery, with threats of further bodily harm..can't tell you how glad I am that he's dead..regardless what happened between him and the cop.

Well, most of that your imagining, it wasn't in the video. What he did was reach behind the counter, take the cigars and walk toward the door. That's shoplifting. The shopkeeper stood in the door and he shoved him out of the way. That's not a crime. Just because the youtube was called strong armed robbery doesn't make it so.

Shoving some one is a crime you fugging idiot, especially while committing another crime.

If you don't believe walk into a store, steal something and shove a store employee.

[planosteve]

The "shoplifter" was caught.

When shoplifters are caught, they drop the item and run...they don't turn around and pick up the store owner by the shirt collar..then bully him back behind the counter.

That's strong arm robbery and battery, with threats of further bodily harm..can't tell you how glad I am that he's dead..regardless what happened between him and the cop.

Well, most of that your imagining, it wasn't in the video. What he did was reach behind the counter, take the cigars and walk toward the door. That's shoplifting. The shopkeeper stood in the door and he shoved him out of the way. That's not a crime. Just because the youtube was called strong armed robbery doesn't make it so.

Shoving some one is a crime you fugging idiot, especially while committing another crime.

If you don't believe walk into a store, steal something and shove a store employee.

Just your opinion Red. And thanks for calling me a fucking idiot.

[Grassman]

So in the course of a robbery, keep that in mind Plano, he then shoves the store clerk aside to exit the store. This is not a crime?

[Grassman]

Hey Plano, what kind of glues are involved in tying flies? Any of em hallucinogenic?

[Red Oak]

You are very welcome.

[Sangersteve]

Steve, I can not follow your reasoning. If someone puts their hands on you,it is a crime. I seriously doubt that if you owned the store and confronted the thief,and that thief shoved you, that you would write the shove off as no big deal.

Brown displayed a combative nature, when told by the police to get out of the middle of the road,he knew he had committed a crime and probably thought he was going to be arrested for that crime. Since he had already displayed his nature it probably played out that he thought he could bully the police as well.

[planosteve]

Steve, I can not follow your reasoning. If someone puts their hands on you,it is a crime. I seriously doubt that if you owned the store and confronted the thief,and that thief shoved you, that you would write the shove off as no big deal.

Brown displayed a combative nature, when told by the police to get out of the middle of the road,he knew he had committed a crime and probably thought he was going to be arrested for that crime. Since he had already displayed his nature it probably played out that he thought he could bully the police as well.

OK, here goes.
When Brown grabbed, dropped, then picked up the cigars and started for the door he had comitted the crime of shoplifting.
When the clerk stepped in between Brown and the door, he esculated the situation. Now, the clerk was the agressor, physically blocking the door. He initiated the confrontation. Brown responded to his agression by pushing him out of the way. This was entirely a seperate volitional act initiated by the clerk instead of what he should have done which was notify law enforcement. And I'm pretty sure he was violating company. Only if Brown had stolen the personal property of the clerk would it have been "strong armed robbery".

[Kiamichi]

Steve, I can not follow your reasoning. If someone puts their hands on you,it is a crime. I seriously doubt that if you owned the store and confronted the thief,and that thief shoved you, that you would write the shove off as no big deal.

Brown displayed a combative nature, when told by the police to get out of the middle of the road,he knew he had committed a crime and probably thought he was going to be arrested for that crime. Since he had already displayed his nature it probably played out that he thought he could bully the police as well.

OK, here goes.
When Brown grabbed, dropped, then picked up the cigars and started for the door he had comitted the crime of shoplifting.
When the clerk stepped in between Brown and the door, he esculated the situation. Now, the clerk was the agressor, physically blocking the door. He initiated the confrontation. Brown responded to his agression by pushing him out of the way. This was entirely a seperate volitional act initiated by the clerk instead of what he should have done which was notify law enforcement. And I'm pretty sure he was violating company. Only if Brown had the personal property of the clerk would it have been "strong armed robbery".

That is just plain crazy.

[planosteve]

"Crazy"? No, it's perfectly rational. You just don't understand it. Welcome to the club.
It depends on the state of Missouri's definition of robbery. Most states define robbery as stealing the personal property of another. Unless Missouri is different then Brown didn't commit robbery, he was guilty of shoplifting because the cigars were not the "personal property" of the clerk. Comprehende?

[ann jusko]

I tweeted after hearing the incident in the convenience store "shoplifting" over and over on one of the Sunday shows. THAT was NOT shoplifting. I assumed they panel was afraid of inciting or being very politically correct. Either way, it was a lie!
He definitely committed assault. Planosteve just loves stirring the pot and he knows taking the criminal's side will do that. But Plano does it in all threads and I think he thinks he's doing a service in keeping threads going.

[grouchy]

Well, most of that your imagining, it wasn't in the video. What he did was reach behind the counter, take the cigars and walk toward the door. That's shoplifting. The shopkeeper stood in the door and he shoved him out of the way. That's not a crime. Just because the youtube was called strong armed robbery doesn't make it so.

Now you're just making no sense, where I live if you put your hands on someone it is at minimum assault, when you put your hands on someone in the commission of a crime of theft it becomes robbery.

Not only did he put his hands on the clerk, it was not a shove, he grabbed him by the shirt.

I didn't see him grab his shirt. I saw his hand shove the clerk away by his neck. At any rate I seriously doubt a jury would call
that a "strong armed robbery".

It is.

[planosteve]

My theory is that all of the talk radio boys are using the phrase "strong armed robbery" over and over because it sounds to the average person like it is something even worse than "armed robbery". That make the killing of Brown seem less serious than what it was and that he got just what he deserved. Makes it sound this 18 year old kid who was unarmed and had no criminal record was a really really bad dude. It massages their ego.

[GFB]

My theory is that all of the talk radio boys are using the phrase "strong armed robbery" over and over because it sounds to the average person like it is something even worse than "armed robbery". That make the killing of Brown seem less serious than what it was and that he got just what he deserved. Makes it sound this 18 year old kid who was unarmed and had no criminal record was a really really bad dude. It massages their ego.

He got what he deserved, but that's because of what happened later when he assaulted a police officer and went for the officer's gun..even charged at him after the officer told him to "freeze."