Vote all you want. The secret government won’t change.

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Vote all you want. The secret government won’t change.

Postby Bob Of Burleson » Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:56 am


The people we elect aren’t the ones calling the shots, says Tufts University’s Michael Glennon

By Jordan Michael Smith
The Boston Globe

The voters who put Barack Obama in office expected some big changes. From the NSA’s warrantless wiretapping to Guantanamo Bay to the Patriot Act, candidate Obama was a defender of civil liberties and privacy, promising a dramatically different approach from his predecessor.

But six years into his administration, the Obama version of national security looks almost indistinguishable from the one he inherited. Guantanamo Bay remains open. The NSA has, if anything, become more aggressive in monitoring Americans. Drone strikes have escalated. Most recently it was reported that the same president who won a Nobel Prize in part for promoting nuclear disarmament is spending up to $1 trillion modernizing and revitalizing America’s nuclear weapons.

Why did the face in the Oval Office change but the policies remain the same? Critics tend to focus on Obama himself, a leader who perhaps has shifted with politics to take a harder line. But Tufts University political scientist Michael J. Glennon has a more pessimistic answer: Obama couldn’t have changed policies much even if he tried.

Though it’s a bedrock American principle that citizens can steer their own government by electing new officials, Glennon suggests that in practice, much of our government no longer works that way. In a new book, “National Security and Double Government,” he catalogs the ways that the defense and national security apparatus is effectively self-governing, with virtually no accountability, transparency, or checks and balances of any kind. He uses the term “double government”: There’s the one we elect, and then there’s the one behind it, steering huge swaths of policy almost unchecked. Elected officials end up serving as mere cover for the real decisions made by the bureaucracy.

RELATED: ‘National Security and Double Government’ by Michael J. Glennon

Glennon cites the example of Obama and his team being shocked and angry to discover upon taking office that the military gave them only two options for the war in Afghanistan: The United States could add more troops, or the United States could add a lot more troops. Hemmed in, Obama added 30,000 more troops.

Glennon’s critique sounds like an outsider’s take, even a radical one. In fact, he is the quintessential insider: He was legal counsel to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a consultant to various congressional committees, as well as to the State Department. “National Security and Double Government” comes favorably blurbed by former members of the Defense Department, State Department, White House, and even the CIA. And he’s not a conspiracy theorist: Rather, he sees the problem as one of “smart, hard-working, public-spirited people acting in good faith who are responding to systemic incentives”—without any meaningful oversight to rein them in.

How exactly has double government taken hold? And what can be done about it? Glennon spoke with Ideas from his office at Tufts’ Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy. This interview has been condensed and edited.

IDEAS: Where does the term “double government” come from?

GLENNON:It comes from Walter Bagehot’s famous theory, unveiled in the 1860s. Bagehot was the scholar who presided over the birth of the Economist magazine—they still have a column named after him. Bagehot tried to explain in his book “The English Constitution” how the British government worked. He suggested that there are two sets of institutions. There are the “dignified institutions,” the monarchy and the House of Lords, which people erroneously believed ran the government. But he suggested that there was in reality a second set of institutions, which he referred to as the “efficient institutions,” that actually set governmental policy. And those were the House of Commons, the prime minister, and the British cabinet.

IDEAS: What evidence exists for saying America has a double government?

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Re: Vote all you want. The secret government won’t change.

Postby planosteve » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:25 am

Yet, when I post about the Deep State, I'm called a loon!

Probably depends on how mainstream he's willing to go. Unfortunately, the less libertarian he seems the better his chances. But, I believe the Deep State chooses the candidates for both parties so it doesn't make any difference. Your going to get the same thing either way.

http://txdigest.com/txdigest/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2298&p=15062&hilit=Deep+State#p15062
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Re: Vote all you want. The secret government won’t change.

Postby GFB » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:47 am

Bob Of Burleson wrote:[color=#FF0000]
Why did the face in the Oval Office change but the policies remain the same? someone is beginning to grow up..6 years too late Critics tend to focus on Obama himself, a leader who perhaps has shifted with politics to take a harder line. But Tufts University political scientist Michael J. Glennon has a more pessimistic answer: Obama couldn’t have changed policies much even if he tried..this is just another hack trying to excuse the failures of an incompetent

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Re: Vote all you want. The secret government won’t change.

Postby BigTex » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:31 am

OK, I guess we should take back all the bad things that were said about GWB.

Who's gonna start?

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Re: Vote all you want. The secret government won’t change.

Postby planosteve » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:45 am

BigTex wrote:OK, I guess we should take back all the bad things that were said about GWB.

Who's gonna start?

I guess I should. I was the only one who ever criticized him. But, everything I said was true. :D
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Re: Vote all you want. The secret government won’t change.

Postby Red Oak » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:54 am

You would be FOS in that belief, about the lack of criticism of Dubya by the members of this board and the former dallas digest.

Yes there is a deep government, or nomenklatura whatever you want to call it.
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Re: Vote all you want. The secret government won’t change.

Postby planosteve » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:15 am

Red Oak wrote:You would be FOS in that belief, about the lack of criticism of Dubya by the members of this board and the former dallas digest.

Yes there is a deep government, or nomenklatura whatever you want to call it.

I was the only anti-Bush Republican on DD. The rest were Democrats.
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Re: Vote all you want. The secret government won’t change.

Postby Red Oak » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:01 pm

Now you change the goal line to anti-Bush instead of criticism.

I called him an Idiot quite a few times, and he deserved it in those cases.

Such as calling Islam a Religion of Peace, trying to plug up the levies in NO with 100 dollar bills, signing the bill that extends the Voting Rights act, and nation building in Iraq.
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Re: Vote all you want. The secret government won’t change.

Postby grouchy » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:14 pm

Red Oak wrote:Now you change the goal line to anti-Bush instead of criticism.

I called him an Idiot quite a few times, and he deserved it in those cases.

Such as calling Islam a Religion of Peace, trying to plug up the levies in NO with 100 dollar bills, signing the bill that extends the Voting Rights act, and nation building in Iraq.

Among others. i.e. never vetoing anything.


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