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Re: Your government as work - NOT

Postby GFB » Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:18 am

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GFB wrote:I'll never understand the hostility towards pharmaceutical companies.

We'll all, at some point, be relying on their innovations and incredible life saving products.


Who's angry at Big Pharma?

There are three issues with drug prices: lots purchasing managers who insist on major perks (a cost passed on to the consumer), the FDA tying up trials FOREVER making the initial cost to market very expensive, and the amount of time drug patents are allowed to remain in place.

To beat that, lessen the controls the FDA has on Big Pharma, make purchasing kick-backs illegal (hey, we're talking about DRUGS here), and lessen drug patents by half.


I think lots of people are.

But if no one here is..why are people using the phrase "big pharma?"

Like "big oil"..it pretty much signals disdain.
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Re: Your government as work - NOT

Postby millergrovesue » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:04 am

GFB wrote:
crackertoes wrote:
GFB wrote:I'll never understand the hostility towards pharmaceutical companies.

We'll all, at some point, be relying on their innovations and incredible life saving products.


Who's angry at Big Pharma?

There are three issues with drug prices: lots purchasing managers who insist on major perks (a cost passed on to the consumer), the FDA tying up trials FOREVER making the initial cost to market very expensive, and the amount of time drug patents are allowed to remain in place.

To beat that, lessen the controls the FDA has on Big Pharma, make purchasing kick-backs illegal (hey, we're talking about DRUGS here), and lessen drug patents by half.


I think lots of people are.

But if no one here is..why are people using the phrase "big pharma?"

Like "big oil"..it pretty much signals disdain.


Because it describes the group who hire all those lobbyists. A better word to signal disdain would be - Obama. :P
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Re: Your government as work - NOT

Postby Red Oak » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:14 am

If Big Guberment didn't control everything; there would not be the need to Lobby to the extent we see today.
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Re: Your government as work - NOT

Postby GFB » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:40 am

Red Oak wrote:If Big Guberment didn't control everything; there would not be the need to Lobby to the extent we see today.


Yeah..that's another one I don't get..the disdain for lobbyists that are just doing their best to get government off their client's backs.
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Re: Your government as work - NOT

Postby GFB » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:42 am

I'd like to be able to afford to hire a few lobbyists.
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Re: Your government as work - NOT

Postby Red Oak » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:52 am

I would like to be left the &^%# alone.
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Re: Your government as work - NOT

Postby GFB » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:07 am

Red Oak wrote:I would like to be left the &^%# alone.


Sorry, Curmudgeons are a favorite target.
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Postby millergrovesue » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:29 am

GFB wrote:
Red Oak wrote:If Big Guberment didn't control everything; there would not be the need to Lobby to the extent we see today.


Yeah..that's another one I don't get..the disdain for lobbyists that are just doing their best to get government off their client's backs.


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Re: Your government as work - NOT

Postby planosteve » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:33 am

millergrovesue wrote:
GFB wrote:
Red Oak wrote:If Big Guberment didn't control everything; there would not be the need to Lobby to the extent we see today.


Yeah..that's another one I don't get..the disdain for lobbyists that are just doing their best to get government off their client's backs.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, that.
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Re: Your government as work - NOT

Postby GFB » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:58 am

millergrovesue wrote:
GFB wrote:
Red Oak wrote:If Big Guberment didn't control everything; there would not be the need to Lobby to the extent we see today.


Yeah..that's another one I don't get..the disdain for lobbyists that are just doing their best to get government off their client's backs.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


You seem to know that government is the problem.

We agree.

But Lobbyists are not part of the government.

The lobbyists aren't going away..they have been shown to be operating within the law..and have even been shown to be engaging in Constitutionally protected behavior.

So if you have a problem with Congress being "bought"..your ire belongs there.
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Re: Your government as work - NOT

Postby GFB » Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:01 pm

In general..if you are like me and are on the side of business and Capitalism..and against the government side..the lobbyist is..more times than not, your friend.
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Postby millergrovesue » Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:33 pm

The lobbyists aren't going away..they have been shown to be operating within the law..and have even been shown to be engaging in Constitutionally protected behavior.

So if you have a problem with Congress being "bought"..your ire belongs there.


Yeah, that's what I said back on page 1. "Ultimately the problem isn't big pharma. The problem is a Congress that is for sale to the highest bidder and voters who stupidly keep voting the crooks into office."

And, for the record it isn't ire. It's more like disgust that nothing ever seems to change and voters never seem to learn.
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Re: Your government as work - NOT

Postby Mark » Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:15 pm

millergrovesue wrote:
Mark wrote:The only solution is to get the government completely out of the health care business and the health care markets. This means no Obamacare, no Medicare, and no Medicaid.


Simplistic answer to a very complex problem.......and it's the answer I used to give, though I don't have a clue how it could be implemented so I decided it's really a non answer in reality.



Most problems do indeed have very simple solutions, including this one. None of these problems existed before the government started it's slow takeover and destruction of our health care system in 1964. Until then, doctors served communities, and churches and charities ran hospitals that served the needy.

Name one aspect of your life that is simplified by government involvement.
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Re: Your government as work - NOT

Postby planosteve » Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:38 pm

The lobbyists aren't going away..they have been shown to be operating within the law..and have even been shown to be engaging in Constitutionally protected behavior.

Total BS!

We should be glad the cost of politicians isn’t included in the Consumer Price Index. If it were, inflation would soar.

The passage of the omnibus spending bill guaranteed hyperinflation for the cost of political influence. It also guaranteed the end of Abraham Lincoln’s “government of the people, by the people, and for the people.”

Instead, we have a government of the lobbies, by the lobbies and for the lobbies. It is a government funded by the entities with the largest checkbooks. Some have suggested that it’s time for members of Congress to wear suits like NASCAR drivers so we can see who their sponsors are.

As discussed in the media, the omnibus spending bill contained more than spending resolutions. Among other intrusions, it contained a provision that let us know who owns Congress. Another may raise the cost of owning senators and representatives about tenfold.

You can understand by playing a few rounds of Follow the Money with me.

The rider receiving the most attention was H.R. 992. This measure removes the Dodd-Frank restrictions on bank trading of derivatives. These are the strange little instruments that are so profitable for banks some of the time and so devastating at other times. The distinction is that when they are profitable, it’s private profit. But when they are devastating, it brings a public rescue by the Federal Reserve.

Citigroup writes bill

The bankers get the mine. We get the shaft. You and I can’t get deals like this, but the Too Big to Fail banks can. When you are Too Big to Fail, you’re also big enough to write the rules.

In fact, the bill wasn’t written by a politician or by his office support staff. It came straight from Citigroup. The original wording was 100 percent Citigroup. As the nation’s third-largest bank, it is definitely in the Too Big to Fail category.

Writing the bill wasn’t all. According to opensecrets.org, Citigroup’s political action committee contributed $804,000 to congressional campaigns in 2014. That’s about $5,000 per candidate supported.

More to the point, 34 of the 57 Democrats who voted for the bill had received money from this PAC at some time since 2010. Yes, Citigroup spent money on Republicans, too, but getting them in favor was less of a struggle.

Willie Sutton robbed banks because “that’s where the money is.” Congress is clever: They get their cash as a gift.

3 strikes? Play ball!

You should also know that Citigroup isn’t just any corporation. If we had a “three strikes” rule for corporations, Citigroup would already be in prison for life. Citigroup is a repeat offender that just keeps showing up before the judge.

Here are recent fines and settlements Citigroup has paid or made, as recorded on the Corporate Research Project website:

November 2014: The Financial Industry Regulatory Authority fines Citigroup $5 million related to analysts offering favorable research coverage in connection with a planned public offering.

November 2014: FINRA fines Citigroup $15 million for failing to adequately supervise communications between stock analysts and clients.

November 2014: The Commodity Futures Trading Commission fines Citigroup $310 million and the British Financial Conduct Authority fines it $358 million to settle charges that it (and other large banks) had manipulated the foreign exchange market.

July 2014: The Justice Department announces Citigroup would pay $7 billion to settle charges over the bank’s packaging and sales of toxic mortgage-backed securities that led to the 2008 financial crisis.

April 2014: Institutional investors suing Citigroup for its sales of bad residential mortgages win an agreement that the bank will pay $1.13 billion to settle their claims.

That’s just 2014. Actions against this miscreant corporation go back not years but decades.

As if this isn’t offensive enough, another rider in the omnibus bill rubs salt in our wound.

The bill describes it as “Division N-Other Matters” on page 1,599 of the undebated 1,603-page bill. The rider increases the sums of money individuals and PACs can contribute to political campaigns. But that’s an understatement. Put the changes together, and political contributions can be 10 times larger. That’s hyperinflation.

Mark Twain once said, “There is no native criminal class except Congress.” Years ago, I thought that was funny. Now I consider it straight reporting.

Scott Burns is a syndicated columnist and a principal of the Plano-based investment firm AssetBuilder Inc. Email questions to scott@scottburns.com.
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Re: Your government as work - NOT

Postby GFB » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:07 pm

I'm trying to find anything in there that disputes what I posted..which was lobbying has been found to be entirely Constitutional.
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Re: Your government as work - NOT

Postby planosteve » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:20 pm

GFB wrote:I'll never understand the hostility towards pharmaceutical companies.

We'll all, at some point, be relying on their innovations and incredible life saving products.

You, obviously, have not ever taken some of the toxic crap the drug companies are allowed to sell these days. The 3rd leading cause of death is doctors.
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Re: Your government as work - NOT

Postby planosteve » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:24 pm

GFB wrote:I'm trying to find anything in there that disputes what I posted..which was lobbying has been found to be entirely Constitutional.

When you allow the lobbiests to write the legislation like the bankers did, it's big trouble. And that's exactly what happened with Obamacare. The lobbiests wrote it.
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Re: Your government as work - NOT

Postby planosteve » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:24 pm

GFB wrote:I'm trying to find anything in there that disputes what I posted..which was lobbying has been found to be entirely Constitutional.

When you allow the lobbiests to write the legislation like the bankers did, it's big trouble. And that's exactly what happened with Obamacare. The lobbiests wrote it.
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Re: Your government as work - NOT

Postby GFB » Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:05 pm

Neato..and what does any of that have to do with anything.

Lobbying is legal, and constitutional..no matter how much you don't like it.
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Re: Your government as work - NOT

Postby planosteve » Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:21 pm

GFB wrote:Neato..and what does any of that have to do with anything.

Lobbying is legal, and constitutional..no matter how much you don't like it.

So, your saying anything the govt. does is right as long as it's not against the law?
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