The adults cheated, the kids lost.

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The adults cheated, the kids lost.

Postby Sangersteve » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:35 pm

This is so sad to me, a bunch of adults cheated, the kids were stripped of their wins,and now the adults are claiming racism is the reason the kids were disqualified.

Moral of this story, if you do something wrong, take the punishment without a whimper and explain to the injured party what you did to cause them embarrassment.

CHICAGO (AP) - A Little League team that captured the attention of the nation and the hearts of its hometown was stripped of its national title Wednesday after an investigation revealed that team officials had falsified boundaries so they could add ineligible players to the roster.

Only last summer, the all-black Jackie Robinson West team was the toast of Chicago and was honored with trips to San Francisco and to the White House.

But the sport's governing body announced that team officials had engaged in a Little League version of political gerrymandering. Instead of politicians redrawing district maps to pick up votes, it was local league officials who changed the boundaries that determined where players must live. And after learning that their scheme had been exposed, they scrambled to persuade surrounding leagues to go along with what they had done.

"This is so heartbreaking," said Stephen D. Keener, president and CEO of Little League International. "It is a sad day for a bunch of kids who we have come to really like ... who did nothing wrong." But "we cannot tolerate the actions of some of the adults involved here."

The organization suspended the manager, Darold Butler, and suspended the team from Little League tournament play until the local league's president and treasurer have been replaced. A district official who is believed to have helped change the boundaries was also removed.

All of the team's victories were thrown out, meaning that the wins will be awarded to other teams. Mountain Ridge Little League, the team from Las Vegas that lost to Jackie Robinson West in the national championship game, will be awarded the title.

Parents were angered by the news, saying their children were being unfairly punished.

"The boys had no inside dealings ... about any borders, and I as a mother had no idea there were any (questions about) boundaries," said Venisa Green, who was driving her son, Brandon, to school Wednesday when they were "blindsided" by the news as it came over the radio.

"We weren't involved in anything that could have caused us to be stripped of our championship," said Brandon, appearing at a news conference with his mother.

Venisa Green said the move was especially disheartening because the team was part of efforts to keep children safe and prepare them for college in a community better known for gangs and drugs than any kind of achievement.

"What would you have us do, Little League, for them to be killed on the streets of Chicago?" she asked.

She wondered if the fact that the players were black had any role in the ruling, something that the Rev. Jesse Jackson and others questioned as well.

"Is this about boundaries or race?" Jackson asked.

Jackson did not discuss whether he blamed any league officials for what had happened, but in Washington, White House spokesman Josh Earnest suggested that it was the adults who let down the boys.

"The fact is, you know, some dirty dealing by some adults doesn't take anything away from the accomplishments of those young men," he said.

The Chicago Cubs said it would not ask that donations it made to the Little League team be returned.

"We can only imagine this was an extremely difficult and heart-wrenching day for these talented young athletes, but we hope they will continue to play this wonderful game of baseball for years to come. The game is counting on it," spokesman Julian Green said in a statement.

It was a stunning end to a story that began last summer as the team marched through the Little League tournament. Their odyssey ended with a loss to South Korea in the world championship game in South Williamsport, Pennsylvania.

For days, Chicago was enthralled by the story, in large part because the team was from the city's South Side, an area that has a reputation in much of the country for being synonymous with crime and gun violence. They were part of one of the most heartwarming World Series in Little League history, with the country rooting for Jackie Robinson West and a team from Philadelphia that had Mo'ne Davis, a star pitcher who was the first girl to appear in the series for a U.S. team since 2004.

When the Chicago team returned home, the boys were treated as conquering heroes. Thousands of people lined city streets to catch a glimpse of them as they were paraded by bus from their home field to a downtown park. The team was treated to a trip to a major league World Series game in San Francisco and then a visit with President Barack Obama and first lady Michelle Obama at the White House.

Behind the scenes, Keener said, the investigation was creating a different story after a coach from a nearby suburb alleged that Jackie Robinson West had violated rules by poaching top suburban players.

The investigation, which was first reported by DNAinfo.com, appeared to end in December when the national organization said it had uncovered no violations. Officials said they would reopen the inquiry if new information surfaced. About that time, the organization learned of questions about boundary maps involving multiple leagues. The investigation resumed.

In an interview, Keener said Jackie Robinson West officials expanded the boundaries of their league at the expense of three neighboring leagues, so that the boundaries included the homes of several players on the team who would not otherwise have been eligible.

The investigation found that at least one district official who had helped redraw the map went to the other teams to ask that they go along with what the team had done, Keener said.

"They (said) 'We know we took your territory. We shouldn't have done it, but will you give it to us' to essentially legitimize it," Keener said.

The other leagues refused, he said.
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Re: The adults cheated, the kids lost.

Postby BigTex » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:56 pm

All-black team? Who are the racists here?

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Postby Cowman52 » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:48 am

Will admit that I am not a little league fan, but anytime tournament play starts team managers are required to have birth cert on every player, and to certify that each player is local eligible, I dont have one bit of sympathy for the Chicago team. They knew when they played in district and every level beyond that things were not right and were hoping no one would have the nerve to say something, well why would you want to take wins away from the "kids"? I hear that argument every time some coach, some parent wants to short cut the rules.
Will bet they are playing "select" ball somewhere, where rules take a second seat to coaches and game organizers are getting fat off of game fees and tryout entries.

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Re: The adults cheated, the kids lost.

Postby grouchy » Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:58 am

The worst thing about youth sports is the parents. I also agree with Coleman about select ball. Our boys have been asked to play on select teams and we no longer let them participate.

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Re: The adults cheated, the kids lost.

Postby Red Oak » Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:13 am

The Chicago way, applied to kids sports.

Has anything good come out of Chicago ?
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Postby GFB » Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:17 am

Red Oak wrote:The Chicago way, applied to kids sports.

Has anything good come out of Chicago ?



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Re: The adults cheated, the kids lost.

Postby BigTex » Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:20 am

The museum's nice.

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Re: The adults cheated, the kids lost.

Postby kent » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:54 am

As a person who ran a select club fro a few years, yes, the adults screw it up. I had to close my club because several parents didn't pay or didn't think they should pay if their kid got hurt. Those 10-15 families screwed it for the other 85, plus the coaches. I set the club up to give access to outstanding coaches - National champions, olympians, etc. at a fair cost - I didn't make a dime. In fact, I put a lot of my own money into it. :evil:

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Postby Cowman52 » Thu Feb 12, 2015 8:04 pm

Will give my little league horror story. District director put his brother into playoff games as ump with jr girls ages 13 to 15. The problem, he was under investigation for sex assault of a minor.

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Re: The adults cheated, the kids lost.

Postby tx3653 » Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:17 pm

Jessie will get their trophy back for them. Or, at least he'll get a lot of TV face time for trying.

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Re: The adults cheated, the kids lost.

Postby jellowrestling » Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:50 pm

When I was in the 9th-grade, our high school school basketball coach, Bo Snowden, told us, "The worst thing that ever happened to kids is organized youth sports. Kids need to play games on the sandlot, and adults need to stay out of it."

He was right then, and he's still right today.

When we played football (or baseball, or basketball, or soccer, or Dirt Clod War, or whatever), we were the players, coaches, referees and rule-makers. If playing field or the number of players didn't work the way we wanted them to, we modified them. Tree in the way? No problem. If the ball hits the tree, it's a do-over. Not enough players to cover right field? No problem; any ball hit to right field is an out.

We played YMCA sports in grades 4-6, and it was fun, because the rules were designed to maximize participation. Football was six-man, where everyone is pass-eligible. But to keep one star player from dominating play, the first player to touch the ball had to hand off or pass it to advance the ball past the line of scrimmage. That meant at least two, and usually three, of the six offensive players touched the ball on every play (center, QB, and then RB or WR). Also, there weren't quarters, but "mandatory" and "free" periods. Every kid played in one of the two mandatory periods in each half. Coaches were then free to substitute during the free period. Everyone got to play in both halves, and the weak kids who were out of shape weren't forced to play a whole quarter of humiliation and domination.

In sixth-grade, the kids voted to play soccer instead of softball. At my elementary school, we had already been playing soccer for two or three years, and some of us had been playing on teams for as many as four or five years. For the kids at the three other elementaries, they were pretty much complete novices. The kids on my team were basically going to be an all-star team, with the best players in the league at every position. We scrimmaged the other team from our school, and dominated them. So, our two coaches got together and came to us the next day and told us that there was a new plan. The dad who was going to coach the other team was out, and they were splitting our team. A couple of our best players were going to the other team, along with one of our coaches. We were shocked, and said, "Why!?!?!"

They explained that our team was so much better than every other team in the league that it would pointless. By splitting the team, both teams would be competitive, and the league would have a chance to be competitive. We didn't understand it at the time, but they were right. It was better for the league, and better for us as individuals.

One of the coaches was about 20, the other was 14 (they were older brothers of two of the players). The coach who took the weaker team, Greg Ryan, wound up coaching the US Women's National Team in the World Cup. Greg's team finished second, with their only loss a 1-0 defeat to our team. We creamed most of the squads from the other schools, but one team did give us some competition by playing us to a shocking 1-1 tie. I was pretty upset about that, because I was the GK, and it was the only goal I gave up that season, but for all the other kids in the league, it was like the rebel forces had blown up the Death Star. Anyway, the point is that even in the organized league, the kids adjusted the rules to make it more competitive, just like we did down at the park.

I haven't seen kids playing ball at a park in years unless there was an adult nearby with a clipboard. The worst thing that ever happened to kids is organized youth sports.

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Re: The adults cheated, the kids lost.

Postby GRANDPA » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:09 am

It could be a very important life lesson if some of the adults & outsiders would just butt out. How would those kids feel if they were all on an opposing team?
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Re: The adults cheated, the kids lost.

Postby Mark » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:46 pm

One of the most embarrassing moments of my life was when I was helping to coach a girls softball team, and I witnessed (from just a few feet away) the head coach (who happened to also be a preacher) chew out a little girl at the conclusion of a game, and he used the phrase, "You lost us that game."
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Re: The adults cheated, the kids lost.

Postby Mark » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:50 pm

jellowrestling wrote:Not enough players to cover right field? No problem; any ball hit to right field is an out.




My dad got tired of us knocking pickets loose on the fence, so we had to make a rule that any ball that hit the fence was an out.
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Re: The adults cheated, the kids lost.

Postby GRANDPA » Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:04 pm

Mark wrote:
jellowrestling wrote:Not enough players to cover right field? No problem; any ball hit to right field is an out.




My dad got tired of us knocking pickets loose on the fence, so we had to make a rule that any ball that hit the fence was an out.


Why an out? Why not call it a foul ball?
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Re: The adults cheated, the kids lost.

Postby Mark » Sun Feb 15, 2015 8:41 am

GRANDPA wrote:
Mark wrote:
jellowrestling wrote:Not enough players to cover right field? No problem; any ball hit to right field is an out.




My dad got tired of us knocking pickets loose on the fence, so we had to make a rule that any ball that hit the fence was an out.


Why an out? Why not call it a foul ball?



That wouldn't have been enough penalty for the objectionable action.
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