German Airliner Crashes in French Alps 148 likely dead

[GFB]

Surprise surprise..you made it up.

[planosteve]

So what's your evidence here?

I don't have any evidence. It's what I think.

[GFB]

So what's your evidence here?

I don't have any evidence. It's what I think.

It's time to stop just "thinking" things..

..before there was lots of evidence to the contrary..I "thought" it would be a Muslim.

Believing that at first was logical..believing it now would be dumb.

Please don't be dumb.

[planosteve]

So what's your evidence here?

I don't have any evidence. It's what I think.

It's time to stop just "thinking" things..

..before there was lots of evidence to the contrary..I "thought" it would be a Muslim.

Believing that at first was logical..believing it now would be dumb.

Please don't be dumb.

If evidence does show up, it will support my theory that he was unconscious.

[planosteve]

Turns out that he told Luftansa 6 years ago that he had suffered from severe depression. And he was declared unfit for work the day the plane crashed. Problem is they didn't tell the airline.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/lufhansa-knew-of-co-pilots-previous-severe-depression-in-2009/2015/03/31/4db5387e-d7ab-11e4-bf0b-f648b95a6488_story.html

[millergrovesue]

Turns out that he told Luftansa 6 years ago that he had suffered from severe depression. And he was declared unfit for work the day the plane crashed. Problem is they didn't tell the airline.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/lufhansa-knew-of-co-pilots-previous-severe-depression-in-2009/2015/03/31/4db5387e-d7ab-11e4-bf0b-f648b95a6488_story.html

Lotsa lawsuits..........which is appropriate.

[planosteve]

In the latest "revelation" after the tragic fact, moments ago the WSJ reported that Andreas Lubitz, the Germanwings co-pilot suspected of deliberately crashing an airliner into the French Alps last week, searched the internet on ways to commit suicide and on cockpit doors’ security measures, the German prosecutor in charge of the case said Thursday.

Not surprisingly these findings "back what French prosecutors have said was co-pilot Andreas Lubitz’ apparently deliberate decision on March 24 to lock Flight 9525’s more experienced pilot out of the cockpit and fly the airliner into an Alpine ridge at 400 miles an hour."

It is "not surprising" because by now it is quite clear that in their attempt to wash their hands of all responsibility, not to mention monetary and punitive liabilities, Germanwings and Lufhtansa management are doing all they can to paint Lubitz as a depressed loose cannon hell bent on committing suicide and taking out hundreds of people with him. What is not exactly clear is why Lufthansa had no protocols to screen for just this kind of behavior, which for a pilot entrusted with countless lives, should be the primary prerogative of any airline.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-02/germanwings-co-pilot-researched-suicide-methods-online

[Red Oak]

My overly legalistic judgmental opinion is, the co-pilot was bat shit crazy and evil.

[planosteve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROIH3KCEIvs&app=desktop

Here's the video that explains how the cockpit door operates. It can be opened by a crew member from the outside using the secret code on they keypad. A green light flashes for 30 seconds indicating the door is going to be unlocked. When it stops flashing, the door can be opened for 5 seconds. It doesn't mention that there is any way to override this in the cockpit.

[planosteve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROIH3KCEIvs&app=desktop

Here's the video that explains how the cockpit door operates. It can be opened by a crew member from the outside entering the secret code on the keypad. A green light flashes for 30 seconds indicating the door is going to be unlocked. When it stops flashing, the door can be opened for 5 seconds. It doesn't mention that there is any way to override this in the cockpit.

[planosteve]

But, now I'm reading this:
Since the 2001 attacks, cockpit security has been strengthened. The doors cannot be opened from the outside except with a code that only the pilot and co-pilot know. However, there is also a latch which can lock the cockpit security door from the inside. It is this feature that may have prevented the pilot from re-entering the cockpit before the crash.
http://ssristories.org/germanwings-jetliner-catastrophe-the-first-antidepressant-drug-induced-mass-murder-of-the-skies-natural-news/

[BillB]

Why are they calling him a suspect?
Don't they know he did it?
I saw a surveillance camera shot of a guy crashing his truck into a plate glass window and hauling the ATM off. They were referring to him as a "suspect".

[planosteve]

Why are they calling him a suspect?
Don't they know he did it?
I saw a surveillance camera shot of a guy crashing his truck into a plate glass window and hauling the ATM off. They were referring to him as a "suspect".

It's not official yet.
Pilots commiting suicide by crashing their planes in nothing new, it happens fairly frequently. But, doing that with a plane load of people is a whole new level. The cockpit doors were designed to keep unauthorized people from the cockpit. They were not designed to keep out the pilots. That has to be fixed and fixed fast.

[GFB]

Turns out that unconscious co-pilot accelerated the plane just before it hit the mountain.

[planosteve]

Turns out that unconscious co-pilot accelerated the plane just before it hit the mountain.

Sort of like sleep walking.

[jellowrestling]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROIH3KCEIvs&app=desktop

Here's the video that explains how the cockpit door operates. It can be opened by a crew member from the outside using the secret code on they keypad. A green light flashes for 30 seconds indicating the door is going to be unlocked. When it stops flashing, the door can be opened for 5 seconds. It doesn't mention that there is any way to override this in the cockpit.

There IS a way for the pilot to override.And that's what he did. While conscious.
And as for your assertion that the mind can't control the heart rate: You are wrong on three levels. First, the mind always controls the heart rate, just as it controls breathing, but it is the unconscious part of our mind that is controlling it. And we can consciously affect our heart rate, just as we do with our breathing, because our unconscious mind is affected by our conscious thoughts. And then, there is your false assumption that the suicidal pilot could not have been calm as he flew the plane into the mountain. Wrong again. He was the only calm person on the plane.

[jellowrestling]

The problem with trying to have a discussion with a conspiracy nut is that facts make no difference. Internet speculation carries more weight than documented fact.

[planosteve]

The problem with trying to have a discussion with a conspiracy nut is that facts make no difference. Internet speculation carries more weight than documented fact.

When did I say there was a conspiracy involved here? There was no evidence that anyone other than the co-pilot was involved. And facts make all the difference. Knowing what they are is the problem.

I think that Jon Rappaport nailed it. Anti-depressive drugs are the problem.
http://txdigest.com/txdigest/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3291

[GFB]

The problem with trying to have a discussion with a conspiracy nut is that facts make no difference. Internet speculation carries more weight than documented fact.

When did I say there was a conspiracy involved here? There was no evidence that anyone other than the co-pilot was involved. And facts make all the difference. Knowing what they are is the problem.

I think that Jon Rappaport nailed it. Anti-depressive drugs are the problem.
http://txdigest.com/txdigest/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3291

You posted a number of times about the pilot being unconscious.

When you create something there is NO evidence for, and present it as a logical explanation ..especially when there is already LOTS of evidence which explain things very differently..you 've lerched uncontrollably into a conspiracy.

In your case, we all just hope for an occasional lerching FROM the land of conspiracies..back to reality.

[ralph]

think that the pilot or was he the co pilot , I HEAR that he has been given the keys to paradise , 72 virgins and the Honorary title of 'Jihadi ' . [Heard]