General Dunford on existential threats to USA

[ralph]

--- http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... at-to-u-s/ --- just interesting , Marine Corp General Joseph Dunford outlines existential threats to USA but 'ketchup Kerry ' disagrees .

[Castle Doctrine]

General Dunford is a serving military officer. Under the UCMJ it can be a court martial offense to make public statements about policy or politics without approval from your command. This is why we have PAOs...to make official statements. He was out of line.

And, I am surprise that anyone with a military background doesn't understand this. Almost all promotions above O-4 are political in nature. The environment is dog-eat-dog for the increasingly limited number of positions available as you rise in rank. I think it was Ralph talking about the so called "purge" of senior military officers. Don't be alarmed. It is just business as usual as one person cuts another for advantage.

Just to cover a few...Petraeus left in disgrace and embarrassment for security and moral violations. McCrystal ran his mouth to Rolling Stone. A number of senior Naval officers have been removed from commands...for what I hear "off the record" were pretty good reasons. Now I do find that disturbing. The peace time military is a snake pit...and this military acts like a peace time military. They are just running some war simulations to provide a source for CIBs and other ticket punches for the careerists.

Do try to remember that the military IS NOT just a job with strict dress codes. It is a World you can't comprehend or appreciate unless you have been a part of it.

[planosteve]

There has been a major effort to restart the cold war with Russia again. That's what the war in the Ukraine is about. Who really controls American foreign policy is still a mystery.

[ralph]

only interested in what the good General had to say and was glad to read his words . Also heard him on telly . Just like 'romney' said , Russia is number 1 threat then China and north korea and then 'isis' or 'Islamic state' 'cd' .

[ralph]

course mrobama and his boys claim that the biggest threat is 'global warming' last time I heard . Good to see the good Generals words , hope that there are more words and updates to come from him and others that are in the 'know' !!

[planosteve]

It is one thing to say that Russia is the greatest "extensional" threat to the US while ignoring the fact that we pose a much greater extensional threat to Russia. And that we have been continuing to increase the threat to them for many years now.

[ralph]

thing is that 'romney' was correct in his opinion when he was debating mrobama in the 2014 debates Steve . Restart the cold war , I don't think so , I think that the cold war has been going on ever since the USSR supposedly fell on hard times . Russia as the USSR was number 2 power in the world compared to the USA . Course they thought that they were number 1 or wanted to be number 1 power . Point I am making is that the 'cold war' never ended .

[ralph]

go ahead , trust mrobama if you like , ok with me but wasn't it mrobama that told the some Russian bigshot on open mic that he was willing to be flexible . I forget the actual event , maybe I'll try to find it . Anyway of the 2 , mrobama or 'Putin' , you tell me who the tough guy is Steve . Cold war never ended as far as 'Vladamir Putin' was / is concerned .

[planosteve]

If you want to see who the "tough guy" is look at this.
http://theperiledsea.ning.com/profiles/blogs/around-22-us-nuclear-weapons-are-still-being-stored-in-the

[ralph]

yep , open mic moment with mrobama telling 'medyeved, that will be more FLEXIBLE after the upcoming election . I post it because I mentioned the incident .

[ralph]

oooops , here is the link --- http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=vid ... C92497EC22 ---

[GFB]

General Dunford is a serving military officer. Under the UCMJ it can be a court martial offense to make public statements about policy or politics without approval from your command. This is why we have PAOs...to make official statements. He was out of line.

And, I am surprise that anyone with a military background doesn't understand this. Almost all promotions above O-4 are political in nature. The environment is dog-eat-dog for the increasingly limited number of positions available as you rise in rank. I think it was Ralph talking about the so called "purge" of senior military officers. Don't be alarmed. It is just business as usual as one person cuts another for advantage.

Just to cover a few...Petraeus left in disgrace and embarrassment for security and moral violations. McCrystal ran his mouth to Rolling Stone. A number of senior Naval officers have been removed from commands...for what I hear "off the record" were pretty good reasons. Now I do find that disturbing. The peace time military is a snake pit...and this military acts like a peace time military. They are just running some war simulations to provide a source for CIBs and other ticket punches for the careerists.

Do try to remember that the military IS NOT just a job with strict dress codes. It is a World you can't comprehend or appreciate unless you have been a part of it.

You commented on process and procedures.

Not one word about what he had to say.

[Castle Doctrine]

General Dunford is a serving military officer. Under the UCMJ it can be a court martial offense to make public statements about policy or politics without approval from your command. This is why we have PAOs...to make official statements. He was out of line.

And, I am surprise that anyone with a military background doesn't understand this. Almost all promotions above O-4 are political in nature. The environment is dog-eat-dog for the increasingly limited number of positions available as you rise in rank. I think it was Ralph talking about the so called "purge" of senior military officers. Don't be alarmed. It is just business as usual as one person cuts another for advantage.

Just to cover a few...Petraeus left in disgrace and embarrassment for security and moral violations. McCrystal ran his mouth to Rolling Stone. A number of senior Naval officers have been removed from commands...for what I hear "off the record" were pretty good reasons. Now I do find that disturbing. The peace time military is a snake pit...and this military acts like a peace time military. They are just running some war simulations to provide a source for CIBs and other ticket punches for the careerists.

Do try to remember that the military IS NOT just a job with strict dress codes. It is a World you can't comprehend or appreciate unless you have been a part of it.

You commented on process and procedures.

Not one word about what he had to say.

And I am not going to. He should never have run his mouth. His job is not to express political opinions but to follow orders. If State felt compelled to comment he is lucky not to be given a chance to retire...immediately. I won't waste a moment on his illicit remarks.

[ralph]

thing is that the good General made comments that he has a right to make as I still don't hear of him being jailed and I really think that 'cd' is trying to make himself out to be some kinda 'expurt' of some type . Good , the General did well , called attention to reality and as far as I know is still a General in good standing . That being said , if the General were to be arrested by this regime tomorrow for telling the truth on nationwide tely and in the info that I posted I would simply applaud him as I hope for more Generals to come forward with more info .

[ralph]

and further more , course I think that this article is just more info on the same subject as my original post . Point is that everything that the General did is cool , unless as I say , the regime has had him arrested or purged . Also , subject of the original post is the General words on existential threats to the USA rather than an OPINION by 'cd' that the General shoulda kept his mouth shut .--- http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/ ... YR20150709 ---

[Castle Doctrine]

thing is that the good General made comments that he has a right to make as I still don't hear of him being jailed and I really think that 'cd' is trying to make himself out to be some kinda 'expurt' of some type . Good , the General did well , called attention to reality and as far as I know is still a General in good standing . That being said , if the General were to be arrested by this regime tomorrow for telling the truth on nationwide tely and in the info that I posted I would simply applaud him as I hope for more Generals to come forward with more info .

Yeah, Ralph, I am sort of an expert after 24 years. The fact is that the General had to have prior approval from his Command to speak publicly. That is why they use retired officers as experts. Obviously, he didn't have that as State felt compelled to comment.

Now, you obviously haven't been paying attention to the lesson on the internal workings of the military relate to senior officers. He won't be arrested. Hell, Truman didn't even have Mac arrested...but he sure as Hell could have under the UCMJ. No, what will happen here is this will be entered in his service record. Next time he comes up for promotion it will be considered...and he won't be. At that level up or out has a whole new meaning. Now, it is possible they could offer him a C list job in an effort to force him out. I've seen that done but only to O-5 and O-6 miscreants.

It has nothing to do with his remarks...he could be in trouble for agreeing publicly without approval. He gave up the right to free speech a long time ago when he said I do to the oath. And, the truth is, I don't have any regard for his remarks. General officers have a twisted view and odd motivations. Their record off the battlefield absolutely reeks. They need to keep their mouths shut about foreign policy and concentrate on their job...and getting promoted, of course.

[ralph]

yep , like I say , General is walking around and his words did nothing to get him jailed yet . General did well despite your proclamation that he did wrong and the country needs more truth like what it looks like he delivered . Good to see that the regimes 'yes boys' dispute what the experienced General has to say . ---------------------------------------------- Besides that , the thread started on his thinking of who is a threat to the USA . Has nothing to do with his doing anything wrong . Seems to me that you pretty much just try to change what the topic is about rather than discuss the warning by the General 'cd' !!

[ralph]

yep , this is the original informative post and its information 'cd' . You ignore the info while sidetracking , changing the post into a silly critique on the Generals supposed crimes . OK with me as I just point out your tactic 'cd' . --------- --- http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... at-to-u-s/ ---

[ralph]

and COULD be in trouble , just more silly speculation in'it 'cd' . He11 , speculation says that the General COULD be being heralded as a truth teller which is unusual for this current regime 'cd' !!

[Castle Doctrine]

yep , like I say , General is walking around and his words did nothing to get him jailed yet . General did well despite your proclamation the he did wrong and the country needs more truth like what it looks like he delivered . Good to see that the regimes 'yes boys' dispute what the experienced General has to say . ---------------------------------------------- Besides that , the thread started on his thinking of who is a threat to the USA . Has nothing to do with his doing anything wrong . Seems to me that you pretty much just try to change what the topic is about rather than discuss the warning by the General 'cd' !!

You aren't paying attention, Ralph. He won't be jailed. Remember what I said about Mac...I was referring to MacArthur, who advocated openly nuking China. If he didn't get jailed this guy won't be. In fact, it simply never happens. The system punishes much more subtly than arrests and purges. Perhaps, he felt he was speaking out and is prepared for the results. But, his remarks don't give me that impression.

The topic was the General's remarks. As such my comments have been directly to the topic...including my reasoning for refusing to credit his remarks. It seems to me, personally, that when you have no meaningful rebuttal you start whining about thread drift. Which is sort of odd given the permissible degree of thread drift here. What you have to understand is that when you post a topic you open it to whatever comment or reaction it evokes...not just what you want. It is only YOUR thread until the first response. Then it belongs to us all.

But, I will grant you that I do respond to things differently than you do. My response to posts is informed by an entirely different experience base and personality than yours. I will see aspects you will never consider.